TurboLScrx - Making my return to the fold
#401
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Well. There you have it. If this is drag race purpose, that changes a few points in my book. But that wasn't made that clearly in the beginning (or i just missed it around all the photos, which happens on occasion ), as you're still trying to drive on the street... not an easy task in and of itself.
But as you progress, if i make any further comments, the prize you've now stated is being kept in mind, so you shouldn't seer too much additional disparity.
But as you progress, if i make any further comments, the prize you've now stated is being kept in mind, so you shouldn't seer too much additional disparity.
#402
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I am open for suggestions on a issue I’m having, when vtec tries to engage the motor just goes into a fast stutter and never recovers until I let off the throttle..... which I do immediately of course. I’ve went through almost everything , including pulling my distributor apart and redoing all connections and wiring, and adding more than enough fuel for the vtec engagement. Everything I’ve done has not changed the results, I’m starting to think I might have a bad ECU since about 5% of the time vtec will actually engage. It almost sound like distributor cross fire. Frustrating
My oil oil pressure is above 60psi
my temp is above the required threshold for engaging
‘I installed all New vtec gaskets including the center cam girdle o ring and dial
I’ve verified all plugs are correct
software says vtec is engaging
My oil oil pressure is above 60psi
my temp is above the required threshold for engaging
‘I installed all New vtec gaskets including the center cam girdle o ring and dial
I’ve verified all plugs are correct
software says vtec is engaging
#403
Re: TurboLScrx - Making my return to the fold
Try changing the engagement point? **possible** cam issue? How's the ignition timing during VTEC?
if the solenoid weren't engaging, it wouldn't register in Hondata. Maybe mechanical engagement? Something not working mechanically; rockers not locking, lock pin missing, etc.. How about just shitty ignition strength? Getting spark but, maybe not GOOD spark.
if the solenoid weren't engaging, it wouldn't register in Hondata. Maybe mechanical engagement? Something not working mechanically; rockers not locking, lock pin missing, etc.. How about just shitty ignition strength? Getting spark but, maybe not GOOD spark.
#404
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Try changing the engagement point? **possible** cam issue? How's the ignition timing during VTEC?
if the solenoid weren't engaging, it wouldn't register in Hondata. Maybe mechanical engagement? Something not working mechanically; rockers not locking, lock pin missing, etc.. How about just shitty ignition strength? Getting spark but, maybe not GOOD spark.
if the solenoid weren't engaging, it wouldn't register in Hondata. Maybe mechanical engagement? Something not working mechanically; rockers not locking, lock pin missing, etc.. How about just shitty ignition strength? Getting spark but, maybe not GOOD spark.
#405
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I did a half assed video review for those that don’t want to back track through this whole thread. I’m not the best at speaking so overlook my poor choices of words
#406
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Looks like my buddy might have found my stuttering/shutdown problem. With the higher compression and large cams, come to find out I’m maxing my injectors out way early. I wasn’t even considering that since I’m 4psi lower on my boost levels and had a little more duty cycle to go before I pulled the motor. At 6000rpms my graph showed I hit 99% duty cycle and that’s when I hit the wall. My A/F was fine right up to that moment. I have a set of 2200cc injectors that should be here tomorrow and that should change everything. I disengaged vtec and found out the vtec had no bearing on the problem and sent my data logs to my buddy, he found it pretty quick thankfully, I should know for sure over the next few days if I don’t freeze first trying to do the installation
#408
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I’ve always loved this car, there is just something about it. I’ve bought and fixed up and sold multiple civic’s and CRX’s but this was my first Honda and the car that I learned everything on
#409
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Good catch! It seemed fuel/tune related, but that just wasnt sitting right because it's already got some larger injectors. I also spaced you're running E85. Lol
#410
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I only switched to e85 today which increased the problem. I did a short tune on E85 so the swap over to the large injectors would be easier...... corn sure smells funny lol. But the car running out of fuel tells me the car is making more power already.
#411
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Oh damn.. Thought it was powered by mash already. Whatcha doing with the ones you're swapping out?
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Looks like my buddy might have found my stuttering/shutdown problem. With the higher compression and large cams, come to find out I’m maxing my injectors out way early. I wasn’t even considering that since I’m 4psi lower on my boost levels and had a little more duty cycle to go before I pulled the motor. At 6000rpms my graph showed I hit 99% duty cycle and that’s when I hit the wall. My A/F was fine right up to that moment. I have a set of 2200cc injectors that should be here tomorrow and that should change everything. I disengaged vtec and found out the vtec had no bearing on the problem and sent my data logs to my buddy, he found it pretty quick thankfully, I should know for sure over the next few days if I don’t freeze first trying to do the installation
Eesh! You must have gotten lucky that it didn't just go lean enough to detonate. Instead it went lean so fast it got to the point of misfiring before it self destructed
Never seen that before. I suppose the E85 helped quite a bit in that situation, plus you were right in the area that your injector pulse was probably ramping up very quickly. I've ran my 1000cc's at 100% many times, but that usually didn't occur until over 7000rpm so it would just lean out slightly before limiter.
What 2200's did you go with?
#417
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99% IDC at at 6k would of had me shitting bricks even after the fact. Glad your buddy caught it.
What size injectors did you run before the upgrade?
What size injectors did you run before the upgrade?
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Re: TurboLScrx - Making my return to the fold
I'm optimistically hanging on to the injectors being the problem. Everything in his datalog was looking perfect up until he got to just over 6k. You could see the injector duty cycle and the map pressure curve ramp up almost identically. At around 6250 RPM, the injectors were at 99%. TurboLS was smart enough to let out as soon as it happened. You could see all the graphs immediately drop as soon as he hit the stutter where he let out. Smart move on his part. Nothing else in the logs showed any issue at all. So, again, I'm hoping this is really all it is.
#419
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I’ve been running 450cc injectors for a long time, I thought I would be fine with them for my basic tuning to build some maps since I only had a 7 pound wastegate spring installed. I never guessed the higher compression and the aggressive cams would add that much fuel to be able to make the injectors run out that quick. The graph don’t lie and I’m glad b18apwr knows his stuff, my new injectors was supposed to be here Saturday but the winter storms have delayed them until tomorrow or Thursday. The tuning charts showed the injector peaking out around 80% but the data log said otherwise
#420
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I'm optimistically hanging on to the injectors being the problem. Everything in his datalog was looking perfect up until he got to just over 6k. You could see the injector duty cycle and the map pressure curve ramp up almost identically. At around 6250 RPM, the injectors were at 99%. TurboLS was smart enough to let out as soon as it happened. You could see all the graphs immediately drop as soon as he hit the stutter where he let out. Smart move on his part. Nothing else in the logs showed any issue at all. So, again, I'm hoping this is really all it is.
#421
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I'm gonna say E85 played a big part in it... 450's will not get you very far at all! Probably like 250ish whp. max. That combined with a cooler intake charge or other changes in atmospheric conditions probably pushed it over the edge more quickly than changes to the engine.
#422
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Question on the tuning side, regarding injector duty cycle..
let's use mine for example.. At base pressure, they are 750cc. Base pressure raised to 58psi, they will flow 883cc. Now let's say they're maxed at 90% DC at base pressure.. If the pressure is raised and more fuel is delivered, would that decrease the DC?
let's use mine for example.. At base pressure, they are 750cc. Base pressure raised to 58psi, they will flow 883cc. Now let's say they're maxed at 90% DC at base pressure.. If the pressure is raised and more fuel is delivered, would that decrease the DC?
#423
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Question on the tuning side, regarding injector duty cycle..
let's use mine for example.. At base pressure, they are 750cc. Base pressure raised to 58psi, they will flow 883cc. Now let's say they're maxed at 90% DC at base pressure.. If the pressure is raised and more fuel is delivered, would that decrease the DC?
let's use mine for example.. At base pressure, they are 750cc. Base pressure raised to 58psi, they will flow 883cc. Now let's say they're maxed at 90% DC at base pressure.. If the pressure is raised and more fuel is delivered, would that decrease the DC?
#424
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yes, you would need to decrease the fuel map since the injector would be flowing more fuel per cycle due to higher pressure. The thing you need to be careful with is some injectors don’t like going above certain levels without losing its ability to atomize the fuel properly