I'm finally looking for some more power for my accord.

so im looking doing a small turbo to make some power for now since i still have an auto tranny. The tranny is the same tranny for the v6 accord so i would only want 250ish for horsepower, and this will be my first build. What should i look into getting, and what about a price range? i will piece this kit together over time to save money, but i have all the tools and such.

The car is a f22 non vtec accord lx auto. I know the auto will hold me back for now, but i don't want to swap the tranny, i'd rather turbo first. I'm not looking for a super race car, just something with more power and speed.

 

why not just grab some high comp pistons, get a vtec head, intake, 2.5" exhaust and a cam? my friend is building a race f22, 16:1 compression all motor and hes gonna be making around 300whp hopefully which quite a few more ponies than most of hondas v6's are putting down

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zeimbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just grab some high comp pistons, get a vtec head, intake, 2.5" exhaust and a cam? my friend is building a race f22, 16:1 compression all motor and hes gonna be making around 300whp hopefully which quite a few more ponies than most of hondas v6's are putting down</TD></TR></TABLE>

its not a question of what he should do, the question is the power levels on an auto...


and i say that theres not alot of power to be made using the auto tranny... since you cant buy a stronger clutch for it, its not gonna hold much more then 200whp im guessing...

maybe if u can find a stronger torque converter for it... if thats possible

 

F22 rotates counterclockwise, The V6 rotates clockwise. I am wondering how are you going to mate them up

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jjspec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">F22 rotates counterclockwise, The V6 rotates clockwise. I am wondering how are you going to mate them up</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you talking about the trannys?

Cus the are the same ones from what the guy at honda told me. And i know i can only make like 200-250 with the auto tranny, but for now its what i have to work with. I could probably swap it out easily, but i just drive in aaaallloott of traffic every day where i go to school thats why i have an auto. But i'd like to turbo her if i could, and then just get a bigger turbo when i put a manual in it. but i don't know what to look for as far as a turbo size and such.

 

you will get transmission problems if you run too much boost and make too much power

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18sihatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will get transmission problems if you run too much boost and make too much power
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i know, thats why im saying i only want around 250ish. Im gunna put a big tranny cooler on it too, and i'll keep a temp gauge on it too to make sure i won't be doing any harm.

 

actually im wondering about the axles too, will they be fine? What componets should i worry about making 200-250 hp besides the tranny.

 

axles could be a problem, but no way to really know untill you get the project running

 

well to be honest, im not looking to blow any cars out of the water right now or anything. I just want a little more power and to have a mini sleeper. Im not afraid of burning out the auto because i am planning on swaping it. I just don't want to break anything else or blow up the engine. Is it harder to turbo an auto than a manual because of lower shift points and the rev limiter. I am really knew to this but i don't want to build an engine right now. Im thinking that 200-250 whp will be enough for me for awhile. I'm not looking to have like a 10 second car or anything.

 

u should just do the 5 speed conversion right off the bat IMO, then you can upgrade clutch,flywheel,ect and you would be better off

 

i read an article once on nitrous and auto trannys with regards to hondas, the article said that auto's can easily handle a 75shot.. But remember this is a magazine.. haha.

You should be fine with 250whp on your tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HamiltonRex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i read an article once on nitrous and auto trannys with regards to hondas, the article said that auto's can easily handle a 75shot.. But remember this is a magazine.. haha.

You should be fine with 250whp on your tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats what im thinking, i told 250 wouldn't be terrible for the tranny. So now that we have that established, what should i look into for turbo parts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sony224422 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

are you talking about the trannys?

Cus the are the same ones from what the guy at honda told me. And i know i can only make like 200-250 with the auto tranny, but for now its what i have to work with. I could probably swap it out easily, but i just drive in aaaallloott of traffic every day where i go to school thats why i have an auto. But i'd like to turbo her if i could, and then just get a bigger turbo when i put a manual in it. but i don't know what to look for as far as a turbo size and such.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The F, D, H, and B series engines and transmissions rotate counterclockwise, the C and J series (V6) engines and trannys rotate clockwise. The bolt pattern is different on the bell housing area also. The K series rotate clockwise but the trans is different than the V6 of the same year model.

 

well i already have them all.

FCM is there any other options i have? I mean i'll probably do this until im sick of not having trunk space, but theres really not way i can strap 2 amps together on 2 subs is there. and will i be fine using the sealed box i have.. i noticed they used a ported on in the example

 

sorry wrong post.

here is what i meant.

okay well im still not asking about the tranny anymore, i've established that it will hold up to 250, im looking for turbo componet help, not which tranny rotates which way

 

I'd say you'd want a 60 trim T3 or larger and some cast manifold. It would be possibly cheaper to get a 16g and a DSM manifold and drill the holes to match (assuming its an f22aX). With that motor you won't have crazy HP #'s, but you'll have more torque than many b-series guys with built motors. Thats the best thing about F's IMO. You'll also have virtually zero boost lost between gears, as the auto's keep a constant load on the motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you'll have more torque than many b-series guys with built motors. </TD></TR></TABLE>

maybe on a built motor, a stock F series isnt going to make more torque then a built b series on boost vs boost.. Build B series make over 400ftlbs, i cant see his stock F series doing so.

 

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Yep. I highly doubt you'll hit 250whp with an auto set-up... especially since you won't be able to run a decent EMS without a 5spd tranny judging from the fact you are doing a budget build.

 

thanks thats what im looking for. im honestly not concerned about numbers right now, other than keeping it in a safer range for my auto.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sony224422 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
okay well im still not asking about the tranny anymore, i've established that it will hold up to 250</TD></TR></TABLE>

How have you figured that out? The Honda automatics fail when stock and with 80 year old women driving them, you think adding another 150whp and driving it more aggressive is going to be ok? Honda autos will not handle the power and it will fail, and like was said you can't run a real EMS with it so do yourself a favor and swap to a 5-speed if your going to turbo the car.

 

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How have you figured that out? The Honda automatics fail when stock and with 80 year old women driving them, you think adding another 150whp and driving it more aggressive is going to be ok? Honda autos will not handle the power and it will fail, and like was said you can't run a real EMS with it so do yourself a favor and swap to a 5-speed if your going to turbo the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

holy f word. Leave me alone about the tranny, its what i want. Im not discussing the tranny anymore. I want to know about the parts, i don't want more than 250 whp, and btw THERE THE SAME TRANNYS AS THE V6.


NOW, can someone help me with what i want.

 

okay since you don't think i can hit 250, what do you think i can get to with an auto? I've read 250 is perfectly fine, but what would you suggest i look at. 200?

 

Auto tranny's are not designed to withstand ample amounts of torque. Your torque convertor will more than likely take a **** and the amount of power loss in an auto is far more than in a 5spd. I would say staying with an auto you'll be lucky to make 170whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sony224422 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and btw THERE THE SAME TRANNYS AS THE V6.

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No they are not! The V6's have the tranny on the other side of the damn car and turn the other way for crying out loud!

You ask for advice then when you get it you throw a fit when it's not what you wanted to hear. Take your pansy *** off the board if your going to be that way when people try to help