Im sorry if I sound newbish Im pretty new to learning the reality of what one can do with forced induction. I have a 96 gsr motor in my ej and ive decided to start saving for a turbo set up but im looking for a daily driver set up. A couple of my coworkers are telling me to go full-race or nothing at all but Im NOT looking to make a 10 second car with over 300 horse with a $4000.00 turbo kit.

Basically im looking to make maybe 220 to the wheels and keep it a reliable daily that I can still drive everywhere. Does anyone have any suggestions as far as what turbo set-up I should be looking at? Believe me I know this is not a cheap thing to do im not looking to go cheap Im just trying to make sure I dont need to spend 4grand on a turbo I would barely even be using to its potential.

 

Peice it together.

 

go to HomeMadeTurbo.com and piece one together from old DSM parts.

450cc injectors, old 14b or t-25 (with o2 housing)...

 

a Friend has a 92 hatch with a GSR n/a with 215 whp
skunk 2 - intake manifold
skunk 2 - cams
skunk 2 - cam gears
dc headers
2.5 inch exhaust
homemade extreme short intake

that's all i can think of
reliable= N/A
turbo would be a waste of money for your bower goals

 

Yeah thats what I was thinking before, this is what I was going to do.

skunk2 intake manifold
BBL 68mm TB
skunk2 stage 2 cams
Valve springs and Retainers
skunk 2 cam gears
CTR Pistons (roughly 11:0:1 comp ratio)
TypeR rods
TypeR 4-1 header
Port Polished head
upgraded injectors (dont know what size yet)
Headgasket

I wasn't too sure if this setup would get me anywhere near 220whp, I really didnt think it would get me to that range at all which is why I started thinking about going turbo. Any input?

 

if you're only looking to make 220 hp, you can get that out of a sohc turbo and drive it daily. you could go out and pick up a greddy kit, run it at 7lbs, tune it, and be comfortably around 250 hp with your gsr motor. it's not worth the money though for your daily. like that guys above said, do a mild n/a build and you'll have a fun and reliable daily. save the $3000 you'd spend on a turbo kit just to run it at low boost.

 

on a good tune 220 whp shouldn't be a problem with that set up
i have driven my friends and it's fun
I'm doing what Jonas suggested sohc turbo

 

Awesome, thanks for all the feedback guys. I think you're right, there's no point in spending 3000 on a turbo kit and then another 2 in extra parts and tuning time when im not even going to use it to its potential. I think im going to buy my all motor parts one at a time until I have the whole set up ready to be installed at once. Thanks again guys.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a Friend has a 92 hatch with a GSR n/a with 215 whp
skunk 2 - intake manifold
skunk 2 - cams
skunk 2 - cam gears
dc headers
2.5 inch exhaust
homemade extreme short intake

that's all i can think of
reliable= N/A
turbo would be a waste of money for your bower goals</TD></TR></TABLE>

Show me the dyno of 215 whp with stock compression...

 

I drive my reliable sohc turbo that I built for $1500 everyday and get 35-40 mpg... Lot of misinformation in this thread. NA power is well documented to be way more expensive than turbo, do some research

 

i think the point is that he'd be better off just keeping his b18c na.
my sohc turbo gets daily driven and 35 mpg hwy. for me, boosting my sohc was the most cost efficient... for him, he's already got a b18c and it may not be worth the cost of upkeep of a boosted car. for me, boosting was cheaper than swapping... and much more fun to put the kit together.

 

there is no way in hell he is going to get all of those NA parts for a grand.. its going to be that much for just pistons/rods/bearings/gaskets.. let alone all the skunk2 crap..

forced induction is a MUCH better way to make power.. anyone that tells you it is less reliable is misinformed.. reliability is all in the tuning. which you would have to have done on a NA setup anywaz...

plus when your buddie wont stop bragging he beats you in his LS1 with bolt ons by a fender every time you can just turn up the boost and shut him up

 

Why waste money on N/A when its gonna cost more than what your looking for?

Just slap on a turbo kit.. Look for a 57 trin, thats all u need.. your gonna make more than 220.. Gsr motor at 7 psi its already making 250 whp.. n thats daily driven.. I got a ls with 10 psi daily tuned by Mase.. **** drive like a beast and save hella gas..

Look for a turbo kit that's complete.. Im sure u can find one on H-T... With EJ at 250 whp u can hit good 13's all day.. turn up the boost if your looking for some 12's..

 

Haha, yeah. I just talked to some people in the all motor forum and I think im just going to go turbo. All I have to really do with the kind of power im looking to make is buy a typical turbo kit and make sure I get a decent fuel management program installed and tuned well to my car and should be good to go.

So Im looking for suggestions on a turbo kit since I don't have the knowledge to build my own. And I know I'll need a fuel pump too. Any other kits for suggestions besides the crazy $4000.00 full-race kits? I heard DRAG turbo kits were pretty decent.

 

If you don't have the knowledge to piece a kit you shouldn't be installing one or driving with one. Do some reading and educate yourself. If you want to drive a fast car you should know how it works.

 

Believe me I know and im reading as much as I can I know I sound stupid right now. I also have a couple friends who are pretty knowledgable in forced induction who are going to help me install whatever kit I get on the car and im pretty much going to learn everything hands on that way.

 

You don't sound stupid, I just think you'd be happier with putting something together yourself that is a lot better than a kit. At least get some real fuel management regardless of your turbo kit origin.

 

I'm going turbo on my LS also. Don't buy a kit. It is much more fun to piece together your own kit. Plus you'll know what every part does. And you will save some money.

 

Listen to this smart guy...

Dont rush into the kit.. Take your time, once that car is on a dyno, your gonna want a lot more power believe me..

 

So when I piece together a turbo kit, after im done buying all the parts, how do I get the piping done? Do I take it to a shop and have them fabricate some 3" piping? Or how does that work? Ill need the piping that goes from the turbo to the intercooler...and then the piping that goes from the intercooler to the intake manifold. And then Ill need the piping for the downpipe as well...how do you guys get the piping for the right bends and the fitment inside the engine bay?

 

bump, anyone?

 

Usually a couple of 90º's and 45º's will do the trick, you're going to have quite a a list of piping, with the 3" downpipe..and then the &lt;2.5" IC piping.

The reason why you're co-workers pretty much said "go big or go home"...was because everyone reacts the same to their first turbo setup, it only results in the want for more power. Happened to me twice.

The nice part about getting a quality kit, is that everything is pretty much ready to go, granted some slight modification, but there's not nearly as much headaches along the way as with some other routes you could go with. Either piece together your own kit if you have the knowledge...or buy a quality kit.

I do agree with everyone that your goals of 220whp are easily obtainable in other ways, but do what you want. You will want more power in the future. As far as the power threshold, it really comes down to tuning. I daily drive my GSR, makes 320whp/240wtq - completely stock motor, and I don't experience any issues. You'll be perfectly safe at 250-275 with a competent tuner.

Good Luck

 

Jackson Racing Charger?

Pretty much bolt on and perfect for that power figure.

 

if you are running a street car think about a stock exhust with electronic turndown. You do want a quite daily, don't you?