hey guys, i'm mike. i'm fairly new to honda-tech, even though i've been registered for awhile. i have had many hondas, starting with an 89 accord lx going to a 97 civic ex, my current car. here's a few pics cuz i'm new:











AND one of me and one of my roomates cars, his scion tC




...SO this brings me to my story/problem. well, the civic is clean and stock, except for jdm-like front lights. i blew the engine on the way back from boston yesterday morning, around 3am. since then i have arranged a replacement d16y7 sohc vtec engine and can get it installed, i was DYING for a b18c, but i financially cannot afford it right now. SO i would like to possibly turbo my car. i would rather go with a kit, knowing that all the little **** (like better fuel injectors, and piping, etc etc u know?) are included, rather than piece together a custom one (this is my first try at one). SO in all your guys' experience with a d16 block, which outta the box kit would you recommend, i have seen edelbrock ones, g-reddy ones, hks ones. please give me your experience with bolt on turbo kits, whether they're worth the 2g's, and if theres any other parts or little things i should know before i turbo.


thanks in advance, hope i'm not being retarted and asking a stupid question. i even searched h-t.com for threads that had "turbo" in them, and didn't really find a good answer with bolt on kits.

-mike

 

There is no d16y7 vtec..only d16y7 non vtec and d16y8 vtec.

I would opt for the y8 if you were going to boost it, though it doesn't matter I've seen people running mid 13's with stock y7's. An off the shelf kit though, many times doesnt allow you to make as much power as a diy yourself kit. Greddy is very popular, and probably cheapest.

 

You can piece together a kit for alot cheaper

http://www.turbod16.com has alot of good info... and if you're feeling lucky
http://www.homemadeturbo.com

 

yeeeeah, i just dont want to miss any parts. thats the only reason why i would want a bolt on. like i said, this is my first turbo attempt, and i don't know a whole lot about turbo (at all, i'm slowly researching and learning as i go).

 

you'll end up spending double on a bought kit when you can spend half putting it together yourself. You can ask around and im sure someone wouldn't mind giving you a list on what to get.

heres a little idea:
turbo manifold
wastegate
BOV
intercooler
injectors
resistor box(i used DSM injectors)
downpipe
dump tube
injectors
Oil feed line
oil return line
Intercooler piping
couplings
T-bolt clamps
boost gauge, oil pressure (optional)
then get someone who can tune.
and lots of Research, if i forgot something anyone feel free to add

 

I just recently threw together my first turbo kit. its not as hard as it sounds to turbo a car.

 

its really isn't, just go to the fi board on here in the for sale section and start piecing **** together.......good luck and welcome to the dark side

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TulowSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you'll end up spending double on a bought kit when you can spend half putting it together yourself. You can ask around and im sure someone wouldn't mind giving you a list on what to get.

heres a little idea:
turbo manifold
wastegate
BOV
intercooler
injectors
resistor box(i used DSM injectors)
downpipe
dump tube
injectors
Oil feed line
oil return line
Intercooler piping
couplings
T-bolt clamps
boost gauge, oil pressure (optional)
then get someone who can tune.
and lots of Research, if i forgot something anyone feel free to add
</TD></TR></TABLE>
You forgot the most important part...the TURBO and injectors 2x's

Just bustin on ya

 

Its as big as you wanna go. I just put together a $6000 turbo setup, but for a little more than $1200, you can make a 200 whp D16.

 

Hey man, first of, welcome to the dark side, my car looks like yours. When you do the swap, you should go for a complete ex conversion. Why? Well because the dx tranny is geared pretty high, i believe just a tranny swap will shave off a second in the quarted. My .02

 

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bah, i've seen guys on homemadeturbo.com make some for under 500, the junkyard is your best friend. Just take your time to score good deals and don't buy **** (like ssautochrome)

 

orly and turlow, id love to talk to u guys more, seeing as u both have made custom kits.

i have been on turbod16 for awhile reading up, and i know the basics of how a turbo works, i'm just trying to figure out how it all works together, and what can happen if one thing goes wrong etc etc...

also, mr nemesis, the car is an ex, 1997 honda civic ex 5sp, so i have the ex tranny! worrrrrrd!

from what ive learned so far: new radiator and clutch are two accessories overlooked in a reliable turbo setup, and FUEL MANAGEMENT IS KEY, and piggyback is the preferred way, becuase if you have a standalone you have more temptation to play around and possibly overboost your engine. thanks for the welcome/info guys, i'm def researching. if i were to go kit, i would most def go with edelbrock, i would NEVER buy car stuff off ebay that made my car run... lights and loose accessories i would buy but NEVER anything important!!! i have learned!!!

 

I pieced my entire kit together myself and then installed it all myself. I read on http://www.turbod16.com a lot, keep doing that. I bought nearly every part from a different place. Trust me a custom kit, if pieced together well will have much more capabilities than a kit. Also, you can then use FREE, yes i said FREE programs like Uberdata or Crome to tune that have much more capabilities than a "piggyback" such as a Greddy Blue Box. If i were you just start saving money, keep researching then when you think you have learned enough start buying parts. You will also learn a ton about working on your own car with a custom kit. I am running about 9psi on a completely stock block Z6, but i do have an ACT XT-SS clutch and 12lb flywheel (both which i highly recomend.) I walk all over GS-R's and anything B-swapped that has a stock motor. Good luck, any questions just ask, i'm on turbod16.com with the same screen name.

 

cool, thanks. im on turbod16 with the same name too, learning and stuff... as i go along i might have to pm you with some details about how where you got your parts (because you said you got almost every piece from a diff place) and maybe some tuning advice... what kind of tuning setup do you have? the only one that i know of are those apexi ones...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mhz2010 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what kind of tuning setup do you have? the only one that i know of are those apexi ones...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to be rude or anything but i'd hold off on the turbo kit for now until you have researched and fully understood the different EMS that you can use (ie. Crome or Uberdata both are free, Neptune, Hondata, AEM EMS, etc.). I'd first pick out a target WHP that you want to reach (including where you want the most usable power in the Rpm range) and also what the car is going to be used for which I assume would be a daily driver. Once you have done that, then pick out which EMS will fit your budget and then go from there. But this is just what I would do. Goodluck

 

not rude at all man, im here to learn and get advice. i dont wanna just be like "help me" and not have any direct question, and you guys are so far more than helping me sort my thoughts ideas out... my timeline is two months: i beleive i could afford the edel in two months no prob, i have a good job, and i need somethign to save toward (because if im not saving TOWARD something i tend to waste money). so, again, the more you guys give advice the more i learn/have to consider which will in the end force me to make the best setup i can... so its all good guys! thanks again for the help and welcome!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mhz2010 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">orly and turlow, id love to talk to u guys more, seeing as u both have made custom kits.

i have been on turbod16 for awhile reading up, and i know the basics of how a turbo works, i'm just trying to figure out how it all works together, and what can happen if one thing goes wrong etc etc...

also, mr nemesis, the car is an ex, 1997 honda civic ex 5sp, so i have the ex tranny! worrrrrrd!

from what ive learned so far: new radiator and clutch are two accessories overlooked in a reliable turbo setup, and FUEL MANAGEMENT IS KEY, and piggyback is the preferred way, becuase if you have a standalone you have more temptation to play around and possibly overboost your engine. thanks for the welcome/info guys, i'm def researching. if i were to go kit, i would most def go with edelbrock, i would NEVER buy car stuff off ebay that made my car run... lights and loose accessories i would buy but NEVER anything important!!! i have learned!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wherever you read the part about piggybacks are preferred methods of fuel management, PLEASE stop going to that site. That is the biggest load of **** I have ever read. Piggybacks are limited in options and arent nearly as tunebale...which is the most important part of a turbo setup. Why spend hundreds of dollars, only to skimp on fuel and waste all that money. You can get a chipped P28 and run a free program cheaper than it would cost to get a S/V AFC.

Maybe I speak for me alone, BUT I am not touching ANY programs, piggyback or otherwise, unless I know what I am doing.....expletive temptation. I would be thinking about the thousands of dollars spent under my hood.

Honestly, I dont regret buying a greddy kit for my first install. I bought it used off of here, so I got some extras (like a FMIC) and didnt get raped. The second time, I pieced together my kit. The only problem with piecing together a kit is finding compatible parts, at the price you feel you want to pay, then ordering it, waiting for it to arrive, etc. With a kit, everything you need is there.

 

i take back "preferred", its more or less the easy way out if you dont want to tune... from what i was told by i heart boost on turbod16 was get the edel kit, and then get a separate boost controller, becuase the edel kit is complete, all the little things are there/included. then with the boost controller you can push it past the 7lbs(???) stock out of the box boost and get closer to 10psi... (from what i can tell)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mhz2010 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i take back "preferred", its more or less the easy way out if you dont want to tune... from what i was told by i heart boost on turbod16 was get the edel kit, and then get a separate boost controller, becuase the edel kit is complete, all the little things are there/included. then with the boost controller you can push it past the 7lbs(???) stock out of the box boost and get closer to 10psi... (from what i can tell)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, but that is worse than "preferred." There is no EASY way out when it comes to turbo. Anyone saying that should have all message board priviledges revoked. That isnt something I personally would tell anyone looking into turbo. My advice would be get a fuel management system that leaves you room to upgrade/expand and fits in with your build and budget. And by that I mean, it would be pointless to buy a basic greddy kit and then spend $1,000 on fuel management. Sure that would be great fuel managament, but would be a tad bit exspensive.

For a basic kit, a chipped P28 and one of the many free/pay software programs should be more than sufficient. I cant speak on high end power/builds because I have not reached that level as far as turbos go. I have mostly kept my stuff basic.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mhz2010 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

from what ive learned so far: new radiator and clutch are two accessories overlooked in a reliable turbo setup, and FUEL MANAGEMENT IS KEY, and piggyback is the preferred way, becuase if you have a standalone you have more temptation to play around and possibly overboost your engine. thanks for the welcome/info guys, i'm def researching. if i were to go kit, i would most def go with edelbrock, i would NEVER buy car stuff off ebay that made my car run... lights and loose accessories i would buy but NEVER anything important!!! i have learned!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

well i dont know if a new radiator is necressary, i'm running on my stock one and my care hasn't even come close to overheating. and im on a stock clutch still...which isnt a good idea but i cant afford a new one. and if you know someone who can tune with Uberdata or Crome. its cheap and not a bad idea. Im running crome on my car and its been running great. but it takes a while for me to hit boost...haha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by moops vs moors &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you REALLY want to go the kit route buy the Greddy kit for the 92-95(it fits 92-00) civic and sell the fuel management that comes with it, just use the turbo parts. Get a chipped OBDI ecu and larger injectors, anywhere from 310cc-450cc for a ~200whp setup will be fine.

Then find a great tuner and get a good tune.

oh and make sure to have a decent intercooler, you can either go junkyard, ebay or regular retail for these.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Total overkill. Why spend that much money for just 200hp. Greddy is good stuff, but $3000+ is way to much for boosting a D16.