FalcoGSR & MASE- Your both pointing out exactly why most people don't believe high compression is good for turbo. It's the size and efficiency of the turbo you put on. If you put a smaller turbo on there it'll be well on it's way out of the efficiency range when you actually need it the most. If you're going turbo with a high compression you're going to want your peak efficiency at your peak rpm at the specific amount of boost you plan on running. It's just proper sizing.

For anyone else's concern I would get a bare GSR block and sleeve it. Then I'd take the Type-R stuff and put it on the GSR block. Don't forget to upgrade the pistons and rods while you're at it though. I'd stay with the stock compression too. I'm sure someone would love to buy a used ITR block off of Ebay.

edit: I figured I should add this too. I just sized my turbo for the 2004 season, and I figured a T61 sized housing will be what I need. I firgured I'll use a full T4 on it though.


[Modified by BudaKai, 8:24 PM 2/11/2003]

 

this is the user formerly known as tzsir isint it?

 

Yeah. Change inflicts us all when we least expect it. I found that out in the past week.

 

damn. at least you dont want a twin turbo or a turbo/SC!!

change is good, especially when you can trade a dollar for it. or a coke.

 

You're still going on about that aren't you? I'm still dual-charging something, but my track car comes first now because I haven't had enough work to pay for both, but the year isn't over yet either though.
I don't know if you read my other post, but I'm actually working on a circuit that'll do Dynamic timing in accordance to temp, boost level, rpm, and I was thinking about tps too not sure though.


I wasn't joking around. My entire situation in life just turned around in the past five or six days. Quite amazing I might add BTW. I havea feeling for the better.

 

what happened to your 10k, deckplate, stroker, roller rocker, a/c cooled turbo, carbon fiber, slicer/dicer, crack pipe dream, all balled up into a kit airplane? not enough time to fix it while working on your masters in engineering? or not enough money? (thought you worked at honda, and as your put it "was a rich boy with lots of toys." or your custom ecu that you claimed you already had that monitered the rotation of the sun for the proper a/f ratio made by your genius CS roomate?

glad to hear your life turned around, but tell your doctor he needs to up your medication... cuz your still crackd out man!

 

Um, ok. Should I try and prove anything to you? Do I care what you believe? Who are you anyways. I remember asking you about custom Spearco intercoolers and you were an utter ******* about it. Should I mention anything else about you?

 

LOL! I think on really hot days, even my autometer a/f gauge picks up some of that a/f ratio off the sun!

 

fyi, i was an ******* to you because i don't like bullshitters. everytime you post your bullshit, you slowly take away the credibility of this board. people who don't know any better might actually believe you and become corrupted by your idiotic posts.

there's nothing you can mention about me, because unlike you, i'm real.

 

Um, ok. I never BS'ed about anything. Believe what you want. I know the truth, and soon will you. There's no creditbilty on this board. Only a few people here seem to understand what works and what doesn't. I have no idea whether you do or not. Falcon does with-in the realms of conservative thinking. He goes for reliabilty. I would like you to point out these idiotic posts please.

Hey PS I'm real too. Wait and you'll see. I'll tell you this all this summer. I won' t release anything till fall if you really would like to see if you're right or not. The ECU will be out in the end of August. Nothing will compare for the price. Wait and see or just continue to flame like an intelligent human would.

PSS Hey nice title BTW I'm sure that took a lot of thought. Just like turning those wrenches right? "Let me see here, lefty loosy, righty tighty."

 

remember that post where you didn't know how compression is calculated. that was pretty idiotic for someone who claims they are a masters student.

 

Um, I don't remember that one, please elaborate. I do believe there was one where we were discussing head cc volumes for the combustion chambers, and comparing the B18c1/5 and the B16a/b. That one? I wasn't saying at all that I don't know how to calculate compression or even chamber volumes. I was arguing in that instance the stroke wouldn't matter because we weren't swapping cranks just pistons. B16's have a larger pent roof design when compared to any of the vtec B18's. That's a fact. Your arguement here is pretty weak. I thought for you being real, and me being an idiot I' d get more out of you. I'm feeling as if you're trying to blame me for something you don't understand. Also if you must know I'm technically broke as a joke. I spent all my money on a girl that dumped me last week after 4 years. That was my changing. I understand why she did, but I still wish I could have seen it coming. I was way too wrapped up in my work and my cars that I didn't even notice she was upset. I'm sure you can relate to that, right?

PS Yes I'm going for my master's in Mechanical Design, or would you call it robotics? Yes, robotics. I work on those huge machines they use to make the cars. Which requires Thermo and Fluid dynamics to the nth degree.

PSS If there's anything else you wish to throw at me please E-mail me or IM me instead of wasting Bandwidth with your childish fits of retribution and suedo-justice.


[Modified by BudaKai, 6:24 AM 2/12/2003]

 

ok when i dyno at 300whp on 8psi , you tell me what psi you were at when you hit 300 whp . thne we talk .
trust me itll be pretty damn close.

 

cry me a river

i sent a link of that thread to one of your many "fans" and they interpreted what you said the same way I did, which was that you had no idea what you were talking about, and that you lacked basic engine fundamentals.

off memory, what the thread actually pertained to regarded a b16 block and what would be the consequences if he altered the displacement. compression ratio was one item that came up, and you totally missed the boat.

you have more than just that to your credentials, but since you post like 20 times a day, (your posts count was taken down to 0 before and now look your still have more garbage posts than I do) it is a waste of time for me to wade thru your insanity to point out your inconsistancies.

I just thought it was pretty funny when you wanted to buy my spearco ic. the first thought that came into my head was "what happened to your a/c cooled magic box?"

Or how bout that other time I called you on your bullshit, and you told me that 5 toher people share your account, (there's a consensus around here that those 5 other people are actually in your head) or that your english isn't good.

I think that many people would agree that honda-tech would be a better place if you could hold back some of your wolf stories. that's all that im really trying to achieve here. honestly, it insults our collective intelligence.

 

Sweet, I'm right there with you! After injectors/VAFC/Tunning at 8psi I should be knocking on 300whp myself easily
M

 

here's what im talking about....

NYb16b wrote:
SEFI8LOxCivic wrote:
BudaKai wrote:
SEFI8LOxCivic wrote:
After this you start rambling, and you prove to me what an idiot you are.

You have just been


[Modified by SEFI8LOxCivic, 1:41 PM 2/12/2003]

 

Keep the post on track. Budakai and the the other dude argue on iM.



I'm patiently awaiting the above individuals to hit 300 whp on stock block. I'm hoping for that number when my kit goes on my car.

 

itll happen , im very persistant and have a really good set up and good tuner.

 

Sorry for thread jacking here.

You're wrong again lttle man. Read that entire thread over. Not once did he ever mention changing the stroke of the engine so in "that" case the stroke didn't mean dick. Only the piston dome size and combustion chamber. I OWN3D you then, and I still do now. Why don't you post the link instead on the parts you think make you right? Maybe you should have kept this in IM or some other form before I tear you a new ***-hole here in the open. I've had problems with a few people on here before because they can't grasp certain aspects of the situation. You seem to be one of those people that can't understand that certain situations require certain aspects. I remember now that that thread was about using different pistons with everything else being stock. Which in turn would only require you to calculate the *piston dome height in accordance with the *cc's of the combustion chamber. It wouldn't even require you to use the stroke because that was already figured with the stock compression. All he needed to do was subtract the said *values of the new pistons from the original pistons to find the new compression. I'm assuming that don't teach simplification where you're from do they?

Sorry you need to revert to grade-school tactics here. Yes my English is lousy. I'm part Chinese, and Chinese was my first language.

Why would I have fans? What are you talking about I'm the village idiot everyone knows that.


[Modified by BudaKai, 7:54 AM 2/12/2003]


[Modified by BudaKai, 7:59 AM 2/12/2003]

 

you couldn't own a garbage can. what part of Nyb16b's quote did you not understand?

NYb16b wrote:
im done. read the rest of what you wrote when you find that post over and over and maybe you'll finally get it.

 

I just read it over. I have all my posts saved for some reason.
I know people enough to have this kind of crap.

He ruled out the bottom end because you stated he needed the stroke to figure it out, yet I argued it because he didn't. His original question was if the compression for a B18b piston would be the same for a B16 if he were to put it in instead of buying forged pistons. IE he wanted to be low-budget. He asked if the piston would be at the same rated compression with the stock B16 bottom end. That is until you started pushing the stroke calculations into it. He didn't need the stroke to even be involved with it. He was working with the stock bottom end after all. Again I owned you on this topic. Why didn't you post up the original question he asked? It was good until you put your foot in your mouth getting the poor kid confused by adding un-needed math. KISS

BTW: I own two garbage cans. You're still a b*tch, and always will be

Sorry peeps for the thread jacking. I'm done since he didn't want to do this in IM.

 

hey last time i checked conversations were dynamic... he asked a new question and i answered.

budakai wrote:
funny... why IM me begging for the thread, if you have all your post saved. (honestly only a true psycho would do that, which you are btw)

budakai IM:
remember what i was talking about to you over IM Budakai?? about inconsistencies??

im not afraid of what i wrote. i know what i wrote is right. i haven't misquoted you or anybody, in the beginning i thought i'd save people from reading your previous garbage.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=383412

 

Hmm seems like you didn't read the very last post on that thread did you? In that instance the stroke wasn't needed. Like I said in the thread.


Actually notice the times missing on the first quote. Also your missing quite a bit of the conversation there. Hmm seems interesting to me. Those that are slow enough will be fooled by your feeble atempts to tarnish me.

Sorry I'm a ***** because I love this place, but it seems like you gave me the thread finally so I didn't have to look for it. I just read over it again, and you're still wrong about my post. Give it up. You know I'm right here, but I didn't have to hold back all the truth to do it. The truth always comes out in the end.


edit: bad spelling.





[Modified by BudaKai, 11:46 AM 2/12/2003]

 

No doubt, I saw that this thread was still going and I thought to myself: "Cool, someone has some more useful information on the subject of turbo ITRs." But no, I come in here and find these two guys in a pissing match about some other post, one has some pretty far fetched, albeit cool sounding plans and the other one seems pissed off about the first one trying to buy something off of him.

You're both cool, engineering geniuses, can we get back on-topic now?

 

Just trying to keep the thread on topic. I'll post my numbers after tuning this weekend. Here's my setup, I'm also guessing 300whp should be pretty close for me.

92 SI hatch
Bone stock JDM B18C motor (10.6:1)
T3/T04E 60 trim
Revhard Exhaust Mani
Skunk 2 intake Mani
Spearco FMIC
3" downpipe
DSM 450cc injectors
DSM Fuel pump
SMC
100 Octane

I'll start at 7 and probably go as high as 9 maybe 10 depending on how A/F looks. I'll be tuning this on Sunday, i'll post results/graphs after that.