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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 10:36 AM
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Hi I am doing a turbo build on my b16a1. I am doing a stock motor build I just installed arp headstuds and rod bolts. I bought a t4 turbo kit off ebay and was going to daily it around 10 pounds. My question is what should I install first to get things going I have dsm 450's and a walbro 190 fuel pump not installed yet. I have a chipped p28 ecu also. Thanks

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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 12:25 PM
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First? You install ALL of it. If you are waiting on parts then continue to wait.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 01:39 PM
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In order to daily drive still would I install the fuel pump and injectors first? I am still waiting on turbo kit to arrive also if anybody knows what software can I use to tune with a chipped chrome p28 ecu
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 01:46 PM
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What turbo kit have you brought ? Please don't make me laugh....
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 01:46 PM
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no. as marc said, continue to wait and install everything together

and crome IS the software, not the hardware. http://www.tunewithcrome.com/

and you need to search. all of these questions have been answered. head over to the FAQ and do some research
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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I searched and couldnt find it. I made my own kit I bought a lot of the parts from ebay except for the turbo it is a t3 t4 turbonetics kit. Will the crome work with tuning the ecu I have?
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:27 PM
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Something you should have researched before you bought even the first part. Especially since it is the most important.

"The crome". Call me when your engine blows up.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:35 PM
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dont half to be a dick. I am new to the honda performance I am used to building dsms. I bought the car with the chipped p28 tuned already.
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Tuned for what? A turbo kit you don't even have installed? How does that even work?

Did you think you were just going to buy the parts, slap them on, and be magically boosted with some unknown basemap? And I don't care if you worked on the space shuttle, you obviously have no clue what you're doing on your Honda.

You don't know squat about boosting a Honda so you're just going to make it up as you go? Sounds like a solid plan to me. I guess all of us that researched for months and months before buying a single part are doing it all wrong.
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dont half to be a dick. I am new to the honda performance I am used to building dsms. I bought the car with the chipped p28 tuned already.
the chip is tuned for which setup?

grumble can be kind of rough on new folks, but i see a lot of the same questions you have asked many times over each week. i believe 99% of your questions will be answered in the sticky on the main page of this force induction.

if you have tuned DSM's then you should know the basics in turbocharging any vehicle.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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He didn't say he tuned DSMs. He said he built them. In my eyes that could mean anything. You can install an intake and say you "built" a car.
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Unlike DSMs that are MAF-based, and factory turbocharged, you cannot add parts one at a time in order drive the car as you collect parts in anticipation of your build. Unlike what you're used to seeing in the DSM world, Ebay=Bad.. Period.

The only thing you can do at this point in time is to wait for the rest of your parts to come in.

You may be new to Honda performance, but not performance itself. That means that you have the knowledge and understanding to know that you cannot rush this, even a little bit. Stop using E-bay. If it hasn't come to your door, send it back.. start with a better base. (This is assuming however, that this is a typical e-bay setup, if not, everyone will have to wait and see.)
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:50 PM
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Tuned for what? A turbo kit you don't even have installed? How does that even work?

Did you think you were just going to buy the parts, slap them on, and be magically boosted with some unknown basemap? And I don't care if you worked on the space shuttle, you obviously have no clue what you're doing on your Honda.

You don't know squat about boosting a Honda so you're just going to make it up as you go? Sounds like a solid plan to me. I guess all of us that researched for months and months before buying a single part are doing it all wrong.
No it was tuned for vtec at 5500 and 2 step was added. I wasnt talking about tuning for a turbo setup. I have a few questions about tuning for a build I dont just think I am going to slap on parts... I did some research on tuning applications and am curious to which is easier and better to use. hondata s200 or 100 or crome?
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Hi I am doing a turbo build on my b16a1. I am doing a stock motor build I just installed arp headstuds and rod bolts. I bought a t4 turbo kit off ebay and was going to daily it around 10 pounds. My question is what should I install first to get things going I have dsm 450's and a walbro 190 fuel pump not installed yet. I have a chipped p28 ecu also. Thanks
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I searched and couldnt find it. I made my own kit I bought a lot of the parts from ebay except for the turbo it is a t3 t4 turbonetics kit. Will the crome work with tuning the ecu I have?
which is it?
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:52 PM
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He didn't say he tuned DSMs. He said he built them. In my eyes that could mean anything. You can install an intake and say you "built" a car.
You dont know me stop acting like a fool. I built blocks,ported parts and have done some fabrication and also datalogging. I havent got too into tuning yet.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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Unlike DSMs that are MAF-based, and factory turbocharged, you cannot add parts one at a time in order drive the car as you collect parts in anticipation of your build. Unlike what you're used to seeing in the DSM world, Ebay=Bad.. Period.

The only thing you can do at this point in time is to wait for the rest of your parts to come in.

You may be new to Honda performance, but not performance itself. That means that you have the knowledge and understanding to know that you cannot rush this, even a little bit. Stop using E-bay. If it hasn't come to your door, send it back.. start with a better base. (This is assuming however, that this is a typical e-bay setup, if not, everyone will have to wait and see.)

thanks but I havent had any trouble with intercoolers and piping from ebay. I know better than to get a chinese crap turbo. I have a t3 t4 hybrid turbonetics On the way. I will probably use rc 750 injectors and walbro 190 for fuel.http://www.ebay.com/itm/CIVIC-INTEGR...76c828&vxp=mtr
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 03:11 PM
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Looks like a crappy Ebay kit to me.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 03:16 PM
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Looks like a crappy Ebay kit to me.
Why are you even on this forum your not helping at all. answer the questions I have or just dont comment. that kit looks pretty legit to me if i have problems then Ill know not to buy from ebay again.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 03:20 PM
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The questions have already BEEN answered. You just refuse to go and read them. That's what's frustrating about you people that all want it handed to you on a silver platter, no effort on your part.

How you can miss this link at the TOP OF THE PAGE before you even post is beyond me.
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thanks but I havent had any trouble with intercoolers and piping from ebay. I know better than to get a chinese crap turbo. I have a t3 t4 hybrid turbonetics On the way. I will probably use rc 750 injectors and walbro 190 for fuel.http://www.ebay.com/itm/CIVIC-INTEGR...76c828&vxp=mtr
Well. this means that you're going to get into some trouble with this, as this is MAP based. You cannot install pieces on this and drive at the same time.

In order of diagnosis you need.

1) Engine management - base map that has DSM 450cc injectors already installed. (CROME will not have this. S200 w/ boost option can be purchased with it available, but is not supported by many tuners as they used to be. Suggest S300 if going Hondata)

2) Installation of injectors, fuel pump, and all turbocharger equipment at once. unless you're driving ot the tuner, then you need to keep the I/C disconnected so it doesn't see positive boost and keep the stock injectors in, so you can change into them at the tuning facility (or follow step 1)

3) hopefully the rest of the stock engine is mechanically sound, or this will be an even shorter trip than you think. Don't forget proper clutch to use as well.

I think this will be about as nice as it gets.. Sorry that your experience so far isn't the most friendly at first flush.. this type if build is highly frowned upon and please understand we get about 10-12 threads per day asking this same question.. using the FAQs highlighted in grey is the best way to start.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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The questions have already BEEN answered. You just refuse to go and read them. That's what's frustrating about you people that all want it handed to you on a silver platter, no effort on your part.

How you can miss this link at the TOP OF THE PAGE before you even post is beyond me.
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Its not hard to answer I just want to know which appilications are cheaper and better to use for my build hondata s200,s100 or crome.
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Why are you even on this forum your not helping at all. answer the questions I have or just dont comment. that kit looks pretty legit to me if i have problems then Ill know not to buy from ebay again.
Sadly that was your first mistake for you unfortunately... "looking legit" and actually being legitimate are 2 totally separate stories, regardless of e-bay companies.. send it back, or don't buy it if its still a consideration.

There is no cheaper option between the management choices.. Seriously. you'll have enough on your plate to not worry about $50 vs $200 on management. Do you plan to tune yourself or have a professional do it?. We don't know your build or tuning competence capability. We are not clairvoyant, so to keep getting offended about such comments doesn't help you nor your questions. Answer them honestly, and you'll get better directed advice.
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Its not hard to answer I just want to know which appilications are cheaper and better to use for my build hondata s200,s100 or crome.
Sure it is. No one knows what your level of competence is nor what you have budgetted.
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Old Jul 7, 2012 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
Well. this means that you're going to get into some trouble with this, as this is MAP based. You cannot install pieces on this and drive at the same time.

In order of diagnosis you need.

1) Engine management - base map that has DSM 450cc injectors already installed. (CROME will not have this. S200 w/ boost option can be purchased with it available, but is not supported by many tuners as they used to be. Suggest S300 if going Hondata)

2) Installation of injectors, fuel pump, and all turbocharger equipment at once. unless you're driving ot the tuner, then you need to keep the I/C disconnected so it doesn't see positive boost and keep the stock injectors in, so you can change into them at the tuning facility (or follow step 1)

3) hopefully the rest of the stock engine is mechanically sound, or this will be an even shorter trip than you think. Don't forget proper clutch to use as well.

I think this will be about as nice as it gets.. Sorry that your experience so far isn't the most friendly at first flush.. this type if build is highly frowned upon and please understand we get about 10-12 threads per day asking this same question.. using the FAQs highlighted in grey is the best way to start.
I am using your advice and assembling everything at once. thanks for the info. Now i dont think id be going with the 450s. Id be going with rc 750's would s300 still be more of a better choice? sorry I will search better. I am going to be doing the datalogging but I am having it tuned at a shop I dont want to blow it up.
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