Kevin

Are these the best for turbo B16 motors? Im throwing a set of JE 9 to 1 CR pistons in a stock bore b16 and dont plan on running over 15 psi for now. Someone told me they used stock Honda rings but that seems a little ridiculous since we just blew the stockers with ease.

Damn search function doesnt work too well

VTC_CiViC

From what I've heard of people usuing them or that have had expereince with them, Total Seal = Total Crap.. but again, this is just what I've "heard"...

Kevin

So what are guys using with built motors?

VTC_CiViC

? Beat's my ***.. let's have some built motor guys answer

CRXRageD

On turbo motors especiallly, Total Seal rings=total ****. There is way too much blowby and the compression isn't very good at all. This was found out prior to getting my engine built. I was using JE 9:1 with total seals and losing almost 30 psi per cylinder after breaking the pistons in. I got rid of that setup and got my ZC built at endyn. They are using an un-named ring manufacturer from Japan now, that seals quite nicely. I would suggest emailing them. Reason why I say un-named is because the rings come in a box that is straight plain and white with a little bit of japanese on it. I will admit though, Total Seals candy is pretty good but not worth the $150 for the shitty rings. I think total seal is pretty good for american cars. I'm just talking from experience with my Honda.

supergreenNA1

i had plumes of smoke coming out the tailpipe with the total seal rings. installed the je rings and problem solved.

Kevin

Yah i think we are going to go with the ones Endyn uses. Im ordering some parts from them and the rings are going to be part of the deal. I just got off the phone with them and everything looks good.

Thanks for the advice!

b18bturbo

you mean the wiseco rings are pretty good stuff. I use them with great success. THe total seal is = total *** thats the worst rings i have seen.

apexii

Total seal= oxymoron

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Kevin

See now i feel good about asking before i went and got them ahahaha

Liltrix

JE 9.8:1 with lots of boost, XS T66-1 and a JG Race head fully built B18C1, I use the JE rings, seals perfectly


[Modified by Liltrix, 2:28 PM 4/23/2002]

PrecisionH23a

I agree. JE rings are nice. I run hastings piston rings in my built turbo h23a. I have had zero problems with them and they have seen 16psi and no problems yet. JE told me that Hastings and JE are the same exact rings. The company just boxes them differently and stamps their name on them. i dont have much experience with total seal.


[Modified by GudeH23a, 4:24 PM 4/23/2002]

DRAGLS

total seal rings are the best i have used i am trying out ther top gapless rings in a few weeks.

SIK IN DA HED

wow.. difference of opinion. odds are against you.

what rings do you guys recommend besides the JE rings?

1fstevo

Same here, Had the total seal rings for almost a year and perfect compression. No smoke anywhere detected. Drive on the street daily, race at the track during the season. But then again, maybe i'm lucky with rings or else everyone has been installing them wrong.

Wes d

Whats wrong with stock Honda rings. My mom has 290K on her honda and still burns no oil. Thats gotta say somthing about the OEM rings

SIK IN DA HED

she might one of those old ladies on the 65mph freeway drivin 45mph or breakin 15mph on the 55mph highway. if so... she doesnt count. thats not even fast enough to damage her front bumper when she hits a parked car.

thats alot of miles... but the car is stock man! j/k




[Modified by dlplayboy, 11:02 PM 4/23/2002]

pornstarSR

weisco rings
honda rings

never had a problem

pornstarSR

i had damn total seal rings on my moped, damn thing threw a rod threw my knee,

now i have to shift using a cane

DRAGLS

I have always used total seal rings w/ no problems sealing problems are because who ever honed the sleeves did't use the correct hatch.

paulzy

iTrader: (1)

are they file fit? maybe they were not filed correctly....

I've never used them, but if they were crap, they wouldn't have been outcasted from the import scene already....

speedworks

total seal=total ****! could not get them to seat. it put more oil out the tailpipe than the exxon valdeze spilled in the ocean. of course when i called them it was all my fault (i've rebuilt dozens of honda engines though). they said it was improper honing. i rehoned the block which made it worse. called arias and ordered a set of rings and guess what, problem solved. if you use there rings and it smokes just remember
(WE ON HONDA-TECH TOLD YOU SO!)

Captain Save-a-Hoe

I know jack shiz about cars, but I do know totals seals suck. My friend had his motor built with them and was adding oil like a ****. He switched to Hastings and has been fine ever since. Total seal is total shiz and Im out on that note.

DLB1994

Total Seal rings=total ****

hybridsol

I put total seal rings in my GSR engine after a getto hone job- no oil burning at all. they were a real bitch to install though, I can see how someone could easily mess them up... the instructions spec different locations for the oil ring gap vs stock rings b/c of the location of the "gapless" ring sits. If you don't get it right, it leaks.