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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 09:49 AM
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My setup:
B18C1
Drag III turbo kit @ 6.5psi
Hondata S200B
440cc injectors
RS*R flextube back with Mugen twin-loop

I had my car tuned on the dyno last monday and this is my sheet:



I was thinking I'd at least hit 200ft/lbs. Any ideas on why I didn't?


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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 10:24 AM
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Am I being to critical? Is this normal?
Anyone? Bueller?
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 10:30 AM
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it might have somethign to do with your exhaust setup? I have seen more torque but at 6.5psi thats pretty good. Looks smooth.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 10:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOUNDEFFECTS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it might have somethign to do with your exhaust setup? I have seen more torque but at 6.5psi thats pretty good. Looks smooth. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? Hmm, ok. I'm a little thrown off seeing these D16 turbos making ~200whp with ~180wtq but I guess that's at like 10-11psi....
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 10:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Judah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Really? Hmm, ok. I'm a little thrown off seeing these D16 turbos making ~200whp with ~180wtq but I guess that's at like 10-11psi....</TD></TR></TABLE>

D series motors have a longer stroke which is why you see the higher torque. Hence the reason they don't rev as high (D motors).
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 11:21 AM
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my guess is the exhuast setup. try it with an open dp.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 11:27 AM
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That seems right for 6.5 psi on a b18c.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 11:47 AM
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yeah it doesn't seem horrible... but two things:

1) turn up the boost
2)It looks like your vtec settings is too low. Play with it next time your at the dyno, but it looks like it would be better @ 5500 or so unless i'm reading your graph wrong. I think it's coming in too early and your losing power, hence the torque dip on teh graph.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Johnyquest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
2)It looks like your vtec settings is too low. Play with it next time your at the dyno, but it looks like it would be better @ 5500 or so unless i'm reading your graph wrong. I think it's coming in too early and your losing power, hence the torque dip on teh graph.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I saw that. I was thinking that exact same thing.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 01:58 PM
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id say welcome to the world of hondas and non existent torque
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 02:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rOby &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id say welcome to the world of hondas and non existent torque</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, no ****

So how do I get above 200ft/lbs without upping the boost?
Is it possible?
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 02:21 PM
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tune that midrange. free up exhaust. run a proper sized turbo... that one you have right now is hurting your midrange a ton.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 02:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94goldjungsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tune that midrange. free up exhaust. run a proper sized turbo... that one you have right now is hurting your midrange a ton.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, that turbo loves the upper range.
It's nice for the freeway though, which is where 95% of my driving is done.....
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 04:23 PM
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Default Re: Torque seems low on dyno (Judah)

If you ask me it looks like VTEC is at 5400rpm, 5000-5200rpm would be my recommendation. I have dynoed plenty of turbo B-series motors and you usually gain 20-30lb trq midrange by lowering it. Stock GSR intake manifold, this changes things if it is stock?
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 05:37 PM
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Stock GSR IM. The vtec x-over is currently at around 4800rpm, I think it needs to be a bit higher. You can really feel the torque loss for about 500 or so rpms when it crosses over....
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:16 PM
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B series for ya
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:21 PM
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not to start **** or anyhting
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Torque seems low on dyno (Judah)

Looks almost spot-on with my dyno.

Stock B18C1, *most* of a Revhard kit, 2.5" DP and 2.3" catback- 244whp/168wtq @ 6psi.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTC_CiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks almost spot-on with my dyno.

Stock B18C1, *most* of a Revhard kit, 2.5" DP and 2.3" catback- 244whp/168wtq @ 6psi.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool, I won't worry about it then. I'll up the boost to 10psi in a year or so when I get rods and pistons....
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Torque seems low on dyno (Judah)

most likely exhaust.. 2.25" piping isn't best for that type of whp.. and if thats all the whp you want to run.. you can have better powerband with smaller turbo and gain more torque on low end and midrange.
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