just keep checking it, that's always the trade off to a hot ignition. Whenever the rotor gets flashing on it like that, replace it.

 

i got msd 6t with blaster 2 coil and my rotor never went bad , the bad thing is i never changed it i have had msd on this dist for over 3 years , but i do not drive the car every day

 

well ne ways i got the system on....it pulls real hard and the car runs real smooth. I re-gapped my plugs to about 45 from 37...and it seems to help but i also advnaced the intake cam a lil to compensate for the head work..so not to sure which helped more.

I got my MSD cause my boys integra has a Jacobs ICE systme and it pulls like ***** in 4-5th so.. thanks

 

well ne ways i got the system on....it pulls real hard and the car runs real smooth. I re-gapped my plugs to about 45 from 37...and it seems to help but i also advnaced the intake cam a lil to compensate for the head work..so not to sure which helped more. Who else open the spark gap a lil more w/ their ignitions and who felt any of a change... I need a dyno lol

I got my MSD cause my boys integra has a Jacobs ICE systme and it pulls like ***** in 4-5th so.. thanks

 

bump.. this topic is interesting

 

more info from owners....

 

I've never heard of anyone that noticed a performance gain....fuel economy usually. It's the head work that you feel. And if you put the ignition on thinking you feel a difference, that's probably why you did!!!

 

DON'T EVEN THINK about widing the plug gap. With boost the spark will be blown out. Either leave the gap stock or close it .010

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trbobldr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DON'T EVEN THINK about widing the plug gap. With boost the spark will be blown out. Either leave the gap stock or close it .010</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're kidding right......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FwdCivicHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've never heard of anyone that noticed a performance gain....fuel economy usually. It's the head work that you feel. And if you put the ignition on thinking you feel a difference, that's probably why you did!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope he is playing...it just a cleaner burn and it pulls stronger... so whatever maybe i should have dynoed it before and after... wait! I need a dyno run in the first place!

 

I guarantee i wouldn't put down the same numbers on my boosted d16z6 with stock ignition. It is very hard to ignite the mixture when it is so highly compressed and hot.

I would say for boost msd setup is an excellent Idea but for N/A not as important and could probably get more gains spending money elsewhere. Unless you are running N/A built engine with extremely high compression or have done all the normal N/A upgrades already.

 

I would agree with the fact that an MSD ignition should be on the end of anybody's list of parts that have mild setups. If you have I/H/E, don't get an msd.

 

progress civic, the one that does 212mph...stock ignition...

msd = over priced crap j/k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trbobldr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DON'T EVEN THINK about widing the plug gap. With boost the spark will be blown out. Either leave the gap stock or close it .010</TD></TR></TABLE>

huh???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Em0ne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Well the better question was did i buy it..yeah and it is on...I was asking actuall owners where the saw the gains...as as a opposed to the hype or "word on the street" so thanks for wasting 1 minute of my time....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Jason, I'm more than happy to line up against any of the people w/ MSD who told you they experienced gains over the stock Honda ignition, by way of comparison.

MordecaiPSI needs an MSD, I don't, you don't.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Jason, I'm more than happy to line up against any of the people w/ MSD who told you they experienced gains over the stock Honda ignition, by way of comparison.

MordecaiPSI needs an MSD, I don't, you don't.</TD></TR></TABLE>


only cause you would probably out run them.. I mean i maybe just dumb but the car is SOOO much smoother with my MSD, external blaster and CAP. I guess only a dyno can tell. SO ??? I need the ITR program.....that **** is hot! heard you did well at the HONDATA demo/meeting you went to.

 

just a fun little fact about msd ignition wires:

TPR magazine did a comparison test of 7 different spark plug wires (including oem eires) on a 91 EF with a b16 and a drag turbo kit they did three runs and got average on eache set. here are the results.

Honda OEM: 230.6 whp
accel 300 plus thunder sport: 232.4 whp
magnecor KV85: 231.4 whp
moroso blue max spiral core wire: 232.1 whp
msd 8.5mm super conductor: 234.4 whp
NGK Power cables: 233.3 whp
Vitek: 229.3

Seems as though MSD knows a little something about how to make good ignition parts. And just because something can handle a certain task does not mean it is the best at it. Its like saying a stock honda civic exhaust could handle the exhaust from a turbo charged engine therefore getting a larger exhaust won't be better. But we all know even though it could handle it a good quality free flowing exhaust would work better and make more horses. And I like horses

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93TurboSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Seems as though MSD knows a little something about how to make good ignition parts. And just because something can handle a certain task does not mean it is the best at it. Its like saying a stock honda civic exhaust could handle the exhaust from a turbo charged engine therefore getting a larger exhaust won't be better. But we all know even though it could handle it a good quality free flowing exhaust would work better and make more horses. And I like horses </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am with what he said.... Imean like I said I maybe a dumb *** but my MSD M6AL, the Blaster 2 and even stock wires seemed to make more power... so dumb me i guess


NOt to mention I pulled the plugs before the installl and they where all white on the electrode...i installed the setup and pulled them again the next day to regauge them and they looked just right so..... notwhite at all.....


Modified by Em0ne at 11:28 PM 4/23/2004

 

My msd 6a made my car run smoother when running an FMU set up years ago...i sold it and never got a chance to run it with a good tune on a standalone.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Em0ne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only cause you would probably out run them.. I mean i maybe just dumb but the car is SOOO much smoother with my MSD, external blaster and CAP. I guess only a dyno can tell. SO ??? I need the ITR program.....that **** is hot! heard you did well at the HONDATA demo/meeting you went to. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I make no claims about throttle resonse, etc. That sort of thing is useless to me. If you're happy with it, it's probably because you have different priorities than I do. Our cars are a good comparison of our mindsets. I rock the zip tied IC and don't bother working or paying for anything that doesn't get me a big power or reliability gain. Your hatch is one of the cleanest most obsessed-over-everything-must-be-perfect car's I've seen... **** I think I have two tires and a broken microwave in the back of the CRX right now, and it hasn't been vacuumed or washed in a couple years.

As far as Katman's ITR program, it shouldn't be hard to best it (no offense Jason K.)

As far as the Hondata K-series seminar, yeah, the PGMFI corner of the room had a million and one pesky questions. Poor Doug was getting annoyed until he realized 1) he couldn't stop us and 2) we meant well by it. I'd do it again if they held another event, only I'd take Matt to lunch in the CRX and not the sissy "D15A6" hatch.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Em0ne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I mean i maybe just dumb but the car is SOOO much smoother with my MSD, external blaster and CAP. </TD></TR></TABLE>

because it is, i noticed the same thing immediately when i installed my msd, at idle, reving up, reving down, cruising, its all WAY WAY smoother than stock, and i get great gas milage to boot!

 

I've never seen an MSD box give power, smoothness, or anything beneficial on a Honda. More often than not, they seem to cause interferance with the ecu and actually lose power. I'll have to get the dyno graph where we bypassed the MSD and picked up 50whp on a turbo ITR.

If you simply must modify the stock ignition, just do an external coil, thats the only thing thats weak, and only then above 400whp. Stock wires were good enough for Chris Rado to run 8s, thats all the endorsement I need.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VaporTrail &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've never seen an MSD box give power, smoothness, or anything beneficial on a Honda. More often than not, they seem to cause interferance with the ecu and actually lose power. I'll have to get the dyno graph where we bypassed the MSD and picked up 50whp on a turbo ITR.

If you simply must modify the stock ignition, just do an external coil, thats the only thing thats weak, and only then above 400whp. Stock wires were good enough for Chris Rado to run 8s, thats all the endorsement I need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sweet i'm gonna go disconnect my msd now and gain 50 hp and have 240 whp on my stock d16z6 bottom end running 8 psi. If he gained 50 hp by disconnecting it it was probably installed improperly or broken. And yes there is a few people running stock ignition parts and running super fast but it is insignificant compared to the thousands running MSDs and running super fast.

 

I mean what the hell is going on here? I mean everyone I know with an igniton is faster tha they where before. I mean...did i fall alseep and just pretend to see all these cars outfitted with MSD...JACOBS and etc ignition systems on street cars.. owell **** IT...either way I "believe it burns more efficiently and more completely thus the powerband is a lil stronger and last a little longer... I mean how could a more complete burn of mixture not make for power...? owell I am leaving this forum now

 

I always felt that it gave me much better bottom end torque enough to were i could feel it with my Butt dyno. I think the reason it helps bottom end so much is because at the lower rpm ranges is when it actually does multiple sparks

But ohh well there is no way to win this. In my opinion if you are running highly modified either super high compression or boost MSD is probably worth it and will free up some power, smothness, and economy.

If you just have bolt ons it might not give you much additional power (but neither did those bolt ons) so i would only get it if you got the cash to spare or if you think additional smothness, economy and a slight increase in power especially off idle lower end stuff is worth it to you.

By the way here is an interesting tidbit. I have a full msd setup and right now my # 4 cylinder got about 30psi on a compression test. Its spewing so much oil past the rings(or maybe through a hole in my piston )into #4 that the exhaust manifold gasket has become oil soaked and oil sprays out of my BOV. I took the plug out the other day and it had so much deposit on it that it was almost completely bridged and you couldn't even see the electrode BUT the MSD was still able to spark it and i still was getting combustion in #4. now i don't know for sure if stock ignition could do this or not but i doubt it could.