superduperman

Originally I had considered the APexi kit, but im starting to sway towards the convience of having a full kit. Im just concered that the turbo the drag kit comes with is too big and that thier would be major lag. So what do you guys think??Decent spool time?? Good power????

P.s. I did a seach

ExospeedAMcrx

way too big for the SOHC for average daily driving. its best to stick with the B in my opinion unless you are fullon drag racing or running a slightly higher compression /turbo setup.

superduperman

THanks for the help exospeedAMcrx. I was hoping ot get that too but it seems hard to find a kit that offers that size turbo. Can i still get that with a drag kit???

ArizonaTurbo

A T3/T04E with the following specs shoudl work well:

.48 A/R
Stage III

.60 A/R
50 Trim

This turbo will easily support 275 whp.

BoostedH23a1

Drag kits come with the turbonetics t3/t4B unless u upgrade to the E


[Modified by BoostedH23a1, 10:22 AM 10/31/2002]

MatT3T4

Seriously, your best bet for a turbo on your SOHC is the GReddy kit. Kit for kit, motor for motor...it is of my honest opinion that the GReddy SOHC kit is the single best turbo kit on the market for Honda cars. I have never experienced a kit that made power so well, as compared to the motor it is on, than a GReddy kit. There is NO other kit I would ever go with, for a street driven SOHC.

ExospeedAMcrx

If you order a DRAG kit from us, you can pick from a B or E turbo. We can also get a custom E turbos with a .57 but that would be for a B series. I'd stick with a B turbo for now. unless you are ready to go all out and upgrade the bottom end for more boost, thats the only time i'd go all out on the E turbo on an sohc.


[Modified by exospeedAMcrx, 6:02 PM 10/31/2002]

lazerus

Uhh, a turbo like that would support way more than 275 HP man. T04E is too big, that's T3 territory.


A T3/T04E with the following specs shoudl work well:
.48 A/R
Stage III

.60 A/R
50 Trim

This turbo will easily support 275 whp.

MatT3T4

I assume the motor will remain stock, right? In that case, anything more than 250hp is pushing it. The amount of boost needed, before the T3/T04B becomes efficient, will not be able to be made on a stock SOHC motor. On that motor, the GReddy TD04 is FAR more efficient. Instant spool, power all the way up to redline...it's really a great kit. I used to have one on my D16Z6, and that car MOVED. My buddy had a T3/T04B on his, and I smoked him consistantly, EVERY time we raced...

The TD04 and the D-series motors were made for each other.

ExospeedAMcrx

I think the TO4b is perfect with the SOHC vtec. we have had 2 DRAG turbo setups on sohc vtecs pushing 9lbs with RC310's on slicks. both hit 12.9's stock block.

superduperman

Thanks for the input everyone. Honestly, I dont think the greddy is enough for me. Yes, it spools fast as hell but that's because it's the smallest i've seen for an SOHC. I've been to the d16 turbo and a few ppl have complained about how the power of the turbo tends to die out in higher RPM's. People who own Apexi love and swear by thier kit. As for drag, I dont even know what to think of it anymore. BTW, for now I dont plan to do any internal work. I just want a car that spools up DECENTLY and can get me somewhere near 225whp. Thanks.

M.A.R.C.

a greddy turbo should be able to push 225whp at like prob 12psi but running 12psi on stock block... hmm i dunno. i guess i'm not that risky.

MatT3T4

It can make that kind of power, absolutely. It's not the psi you are running that you need to worry about, since it will be different with all turbochargers. It's the amount of power you are making, which while 225hp is attainable, it is getting close to razors edge. However, it can be made to run just fine. I used to boost 14.5psi on my stock block...lasted for a year, then I blew it doing 145mph for about 6 miles, on 10psi I think...However, with proper detonation management, that block can handle short bursts at high boost just fine.

ludelvr

I think a t3/t4 will be fine on a SOHC. My friend is running it in his si (which is your ex I believe...we're in canada!! haha) and we bolted on the rev hard kit and that's it. Kept his stock exhasut piping and cat (only had a muffler welded on but anyway, we took it to the track and before, stock cars like his were pathetically in the mid to low 17's, possibly a really high 16. Like I said we're in canada and our elevation at this track ranges from 3600 - 4200 depending on humidity. Anyway, he went to the track and first time he went he got a 15.3 on a really hot and humid day. we went another night and he managed a 14.7. That's stock internals, inline fuel pump, fmu, missing link, stock injectors and boosting at 10-11 psi.

lsvtec101

iTrader: (1)

My brother runs a t3/t4e on his ex sohc works good its a .50 trims spools nicly and the thing books.

W.Zero

are really serious? the greddy kit sucks for a sohc. i had one and the only good thing was that there 50 state legal but for being fast and power it sucks. i had that kit and sold it to get a drag and that is a lot better. a t3/t04b i perfect or get a custom t3/t04e. the person to talk to is exospeedamcrx and he'll lead you in the right direction.


[Modified by W.ZeroB18C1T, 1:33 PM 10/31/2002]

MatT3T4

Then you never turned up the boost. I was turning low 13's like, 4 years ago, on that kit. That kit is ******* wonderful. The stock 5.5psi sucks ***, of course, but turbochargers are meant to be boosted...and when you boost it, you're gold. I had the car at the track one night, and I CONSISTENTLY beat a guy there with a Rev Hard kit on his SOHC (with all other upgrades being pretty much equal to mine), by 1 full second...and consistently ran head to head, or just pulling, on my buddy in his DA, with a B16A, and DRAG turbo.

If I were to ever turbo a stock, daily driven street SOHC again, there is no doubt that I would go with the GReddy kit. I know exactly what it takes to propel a car into the 13's, possibly 12's, with that kit. Hands down, wonderful kit. Seriously, I can't say that enough.

M.A.R.C.

yah i remember matt3t4 from superhonda days. he was the first person i heard of to really make a sohc turbo haul

hey matt... what u think my gains could be on a straight 3 on a sohc at like 10psi?

ck279

The Apexi kit is another excellent choice. Fit and finish is supposed to be A+. Not to mention is uses an IHI ball bearing turbo. The optional GT intercooler is not only menacing looking but highly efficient.

Here is an article/pictures from Turbo magazine on their installation and dyno testing of the kit. The numbers speak for themselves.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0108tur_apexturbo/

Here is a guy on the SOHC turbo board (daveG) who has a nice setup with the Apexi kit:

W.Zero

dawg i had every bolt on, on top of the turbo kit and boostin 11-12lbs but my drag kit at 7 was alot faster. i didnt take it to the track but by the way it felt my drag kit felt alot better. anyways i would choose the apexi kit over the greddy.

Charles B.

my vote is on the APEXi kit ball beraring, yummy i also remember reading somewhere on this board that water cooling is optional on that turbo.

Hammett

Matt. were you running the Greddy turbo in a hatch?

Evil DOHC

I wish they made that kit for a b series motor.
EVIL

Loco Honkey

If you're looking for a streetable, autocrossable daily drivable turbo that has great manners, use an IHI RHB5 series turbo. I'm using the VJ11 variant of that, and wow, is it great. No, it's not a HP monster, and never will be, as it's a tiny turbo, but still... it's great for daily driving and autocross. It spools around 2000 RPM, gives me full boost by 2500, and anything above 3000 is almost instant boost if you hit it. Yes, it does start to run out of breath up top, but that doesn't happen 'till 6500 or so, and you really only notice it in 3rd gear and up. It's a great 1st and 2nd gear turbo (again- great for daily driving and autocross).

*edit- it's on a D16Z6 in a '93 Si.


[Modified by House of Boost, 11:12 PM 10/31/2002]

superduperman

Hey guys. I saw the turbomagazine review of the kit and that made me fall in love with the thing. But I bet you they spent hours on the dyno trying to pull out as much HP from that sucker as they possibly could. Anyhow, that was the kit i was going to get but i like the convience of just having to buy all my junk together. Is it possible that i could just run the setup with just the apexi kit, 12:1 FMU, 225l pump, and missing link??? Cause if i can im going do it that way. And later down the line hook myself up with an intercooler, vafc and bigger injectors when the wallet permits. Thanks.