Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
10-07-2015, 05:00 AM
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Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
Css (not sleeves but cheapest)
La sleeves (local to me and 1100 )
Darton ( checking prices today)
Erl (1600)
Css is cheapest but just by 500 compared to la sleeves.
User machinist1 installs a lot of la sleeves in his machining thread
Darton ive seen used
Erl has the highest price tag
Suggestions and why
La sleeves (local to me and 1100 )
Darton ( checking prices today)
Erl (1600)
Css is cheapest but just by 500 compared to la sleeves.
User machinist1 installs a lot of la sleeves in his machining thread
Darton ive seen used
Erl has the highest price tag
Suggestions and why
10-07-2015, 05:47 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
I would go for Benson or Darton MIDs.
I had a block with MIDs back in 05/06 and it survived hell. Now I've got Muckmans old Benson GSR block that I'm resurrecting. Seeing how the rod let go I'm amazed the sleeve isn't way more damaged so they are definitely beefy sleeves. Apparently they have two layers of ductile iron or something though.
I had a block with MIDs back in 05/06 and it survived hell. Now I've got Muckmans old Benson GSR block that I'm resurrecting. Seeing how the rod let go I'm amazed the sleeve isn't way more damaged so they are definitely beefy sleeves. Apparently they have two layers of ductile iron or something though.
10-07-2015, 07:20 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
You are comparing prices on some things without shipping included. Kinda makes sense since you don't have a build thread though, and don't know what you are talking about because of that. If you make a build thread then you instantly gain knowledge and experience - amirite?
It also depends on what block you are using for CSS if it is even an option... soo much information is missing from this thread.
It seems LA Sleeves is the obvious choice if you can drive to them. The only two real options here are Golden Eagle and Darton, but since cost is an obvious factor to you do what fits your budget or keep saving until you have the money.
It also depends on what block you are using for CSS if it is even an option... soo much information is missing from this thread.
It seems LA Sleeves is the obvious choice if you can drive to them. The only two real options here are Golden Eagle and Darton, but since cost is an obvious factor to you do what fits your budget or keep saving until you have the money.
10-07-2015, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by OneBadTurboCRV
You are comparing prices on some things without shipping included. Kinda makes sense since you don't have a build thread though, and don't know what you are talking about because of that. If you make a build thread then you instantly gain knowledge and experience - amirite?
It also depends on what block you are using for CSS if it is even an option... soo much information is missing from this thread.
It seems LA Sleeves is the obvious choice if you can drive to them. The only two real options here are Golden Eagle and Darton, but since cost is an obvious factor to you do what fits your budget or keep saving until you have the money.
It also depends on what block you are using for CSS if it is even an option... soo much information is missing from this thread.
It seems LA Sleeves is the obvious choice if you can drive to them. The only two real options here are Golden Eagle and Darton, but since cost is an obvious factor to you do what fits your budget or keep saving until you have the money.
10-07-2015, 08:26 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
I'm probably going to have my F22A1 block sent to CSS. Mostly because 12:1 static compression on stock sleeves lol.
10-07-2015, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wantboost
I'm probably going to have my F22A1 block sent to CSS. Mostly because 12:1 static compression on stock sleeves lol.
I havent read anything bad about them and read a ton of good stuff about them
The owner Seems very confident on the process too
10-07-2015, 09:28 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
Does that include an align hone on the mains? He is very meticulous with his work and pays attention to even the smallest details. His cost is higher, but it's worth it in the end. I had him do my whole bottom end and his turn around time is very fast. Every single build is scheduled in a slot and from what I have seen and experienced, those slots don't vary much from day to day. When you sleeve as many blocks as he does every month, giving real life dead lines is damn near spot on.
10-07-2015, 09:32 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
There are guys putting nearly 1000whp down with CSS. I don't intend to make more than 600whp but honestly the biggest reason I went CSS is that there is nothing to go wrong. No sinking, leaking sleeves etc...
10-07-2015, 09:37 AM
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Aww, damn!! I wish I could comment about my sleeved GE block and as to why, but since I don't have a build thread, I might not know anything about Golden Eagle. Not even their phone number.. Ah well.. 
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10-07-2015, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark_Teg
There are guys putting nearly 1000whp down with CSS. I don't intend to make more than 600whp but honestly the biggest reason I went CSS is that there is nothing to go wrong. No sinking, leaking sleeves etc...
Did they do all the work or just the css gaurd? Did you bore hone elsewhere?
Did the assemble the bottom end?
10-07-2015, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
Aww, damn!! I wish I could comment about my sleeved GE block and as to why, but since I don't have a build thread, I might not know anything about Golden Eagle. Not even their phone number.. Ah well..
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You have the same block for 10 years.
Ive asked before how many miles are on it and you never answer the question.
Ill ask again. How many miles are on that motor?
10-07-2015, 09:44 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
Ohhhh, so you finally found that out, eh, mate?....Alright for you.
To answer your question directly, about 75,000 miles for both circuit and street, give or take. That's with no change in the rotating assembly, save a clutch and a bearing or two over the years. Mileage on circuit racing for each event is the equivalent of giving the engine the abuse of 40,000 city miles in a matter of a day or two. (even more abusive than drag racing) So, even though its about 75,000 actual miles, I'm sure the engine has experienced easily double that from its high exposure to extreme cylinder pressures and varying temperatures.
CSS does all of his work, in-house. He won't state whether or not he actually makes the double-guard from his own hands, or sources them from somewhere else with his specifications for material, size, etc. According to his website, he seems to have the means to fabricate his own. He keeps things rather simple in his by way of keeping the best part about his system.. to himself. In which case, can you really blame him?
From what I recall, I believe he actually can hone the block to your specifications if you send in pistons, with an 81.5mm limitation. Specific honing, decking and other "cleanup" are considered as extra costs. In the long run, I think its better that if you decide that he is to perform services on your block, just let him do the whole thing, which may eat up the $500 savings that you initial have vs. sleeves... hard to say.
He's more of a fabrication specialist, so engine assembly is probably not going to be an option. But, you can always call.
To answer your question directly, about 75,000 miles for both circuit and street, give or take. That's with no change in the rotating assembly, save a clutch and a bearing or two over the years. Mileage on circuit racing for each event is the equivalent of giving the engine the abuse of 40,000 city miles in a matter of a day or two. (even more abusive than drag racing) So, even though its about 75,000 actual miles, I'm sure the engine has experienced easily double that from its high exposure to extreme cylinder pressures and varying temperatures.
CSS does all of his work, in-house. He won't state whether or not he actually makes the double-guard from his own hands, or sources them from somewhere else with his specifications for material, size, etc. According to his website, he seems to have the means to fabricate his own. He keeps things rather simple in his by way of keeping the best part about his system.. to himself. In which case, can you really blame him?
From what I recall, I believe he actually can hone the block to your specifications if you send in pistons, with an 81.5mm limitation. Specific honing, decking and other "cleanup" are considered as extra costs. In the long run, I think its better that if you decide that he is to perform services on your block, just let him do the whole thing, which may eat up the $500 savings that you initial have vs. sleeves... hard to say.
He's more of a fabrication specialist, so engine assembly is probably not going to be an option. But, you can always call.
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10-07-2015, 10:37 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
I had my local machine shop bore/hone and assemble. 82mm is the limit with the CSS I went 81.5 so I could rebuild again later if needed.
10-07-2015, 11:07 AM
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Re: Suggestions on sleeves for b18c
It seems this thread (like most of yours) was only created to start **** with people. You obviously have your mind made up on what EMS, type of "sleeves", etc Which CSS isn't sleeves anyway BTW if you haven't figured that out yet. It's cool man, just trying to help you with all your serious questions?