Suggestions on motor swap.
#1
Suggestions on motor swap.
Hi guys I plan on doing a motor swap for my CRX SI once i save up a fre thousand dollars.
Now i need some advice on which method would be cheaper and more reliable.
I want alot of horsepower here but mainly reliability, i would happy enough hitting 300 HP which i know a Turbo-charged GSR would have no problem handling this, but my other option is to get a JDM B18C (Type-R) and just going all motor.
What path would be cheaper and more reliable??
I plan on heavily building the engine once i get, upgrading the cam gears, cam shaft, headers, ect...
So whats it gonna be guys??
Aggresively built GSR turbo charged
OR
A COMPLETELY built B18C??
remember im on a budget here, so im trying to see which one i can get the most bang for my buck, thanks!!!
(and yes i am aware that this B18 GSR turbo V.S. B18C all motor debate has been going on forever, i know wana get all my facts straight.)
Now i need some advice on which method would be cheaper and more reliable.
I want alot of horsepower here but mainly reliability, i would happy enough hitting 300 HP which i know a Turbo-charged GSR would have no problem handling this, but my other option is to get a JDM B18C (Type-R) and just going all motor.
What path would be cheaper and more reliable??
I plan on heavily building the engine once i get, upgrading the cam gears, cam shaft, headers, ect...
So whats it gonna be guys??
Aggresively built GSR turbo charged
OR
A COMPLETELY built B18C??
remember im on a budget here, so im trying to see which one i can get the most bang for my buck, thanks!!!
(and yes i am aware that this B18 GSR turbo V.S. B18C all motor debate has been going on forever, i know wana get all my facts straight.)
#3
Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
well yeah of course im gonna build the block also.
I plan on going all out on this so my minds leaning towards a completely built GSR Boosted, im talking from performance pistons/rods to performance cam gears, shafts, ect..
BUT...
my wallet is leaning towards an aggresively built B18C (JDM Type-R)
does anybody with experience know any rough estimates or quote for these builds??
I plan on going all out on this so my minds leaning towards a completely built GSR Boosted, im talking from performance pistons/rods to performance cam gears, shafts, ect..
BUT...
my wallet is leaning towards an aggresively built B18C (JDM Type-R)
does anybody with experience know any rough estimates or quote for these builds??
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Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
all motor is going to be cheaper if your on a budget. turbo will cost more and you will reach your power goals alot easier. just to swap engines \/ not including dyno time and tune.
all motor:
b18c5 swap est 3500-4000
mounts 200-300
t-bracket 20-50
axles 120-200
b18c5 throttle cable 30
shift linkage 100-150
engine management 200-750
exhaust 100-500
header 200-400
fuel pump upgrade 100
clutch kit 200-500
b18c1 turboed: everything above minus swap,header , type R throttle cable.
swap 2500-3000
turbo kit 1000-4000
gsr throttle cable 30
extra parts:
pistons and rods 700-1000
machine work 100-400
springs and retainers 200-350
camshafts 400-800
head studs 100-150
bearings 80-150
oil pump 100-140
water pump 30-60
head gasket 60-120
intake manifold for gsr 180-250
throttle body 130-400
timing belt 40-80
gasket kit 80-160
all motor:
b18c5 swap est 3500-4000
mounts 200-300
t-bracket 20-50
axles 120-200
b18c5 throttle cable 30
shift linkage 100-150
engine management 200-750
exhaust 100-500
header 200-400
fuel pump upgrade 100
clutch kit 200-500
b18c1 turboed: everything above minus swap,header , type R throttle cable.
swap 2500-3000
turbo kit 1000-4000
gsr throttle cable 30
extra parts:
pistons and rods 700-1000
machine work 100-400
springs and retainers 200-350
camshafts 400-800
head studs 100-150
bearings 80-150
oil pump 100-140
water pump 30-60
head gasket 60-120
intake manifold for gsr 180-250
throttle body 130-400
timing belt 40-80
gasket kit 80-160
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Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
if you could afford a type R motor then you should just save up and get a k20a2 or k24a2 motor swap. These motors can produce 300 whp all motor and even more turboed. the cost is more though.
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A GSR turbo isnt sounding too bad right now either
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Uh no... For a K swap you would have to get STEALS to be cheaper than a Type R swap... You want horsepower and reliability? Then boost a stock engine... Hands down. Built N/A is the least reliable, built turbo can be reliable but still won't last long 30~60k miles if done right... I have many decades of experience, take it or leave it.
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Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
Uh no... For a K swap you would have to get STEALS to be cheaper than a Type R swap... You want horsepower and reliability? Then boost a stock engine... Hands down. Built N/A is the least reliable, built turbo can be reliable but still won't last long 30~60k miles if done right... I have many decades of experience, take it or leave it.
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yeah i thought N/A would be more reliable.
MY friend just offered me a B20 block so i might just go with that and get a built GSR head for it. does anybody know exactly what B16 tranny is best for this set up?
MY friend just offered me a B20 block so i might just go with that and get a built GSR head for it. does anybody know exactly what B16 tranny is best for this set up?
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Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
For what I am talking about I mean BUILT... not headers, intake, and exhaust... High compression of at least 12:1, cams so big you sound like half a small block, runners so short you can't fit a $100 bill between the head and plennum, made to handle 1 million RPMs... The only way to get power out of a N/A Honda is to move the power band higher - RPMs kills motors regardless of the engine. Also the streetability of N/A is the worst... what you guys are talkin about sounds more like child's play... So I'll stay out of this one. You should frequent the Forced Inductiom and N/A forums more frequently - educate yourself.
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Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
figure out your budget and your hp goals. a stock gsr is good for about 300 hp give or take. then i would put forged internals if you want to get more hp. either way though without a good tune it wont last long so the key is in the tune it self.
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if you want to go turbo do lots of research. understanding everything that is happen is important. heres a link on turbochargering check it out.
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech101.html
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech101.html
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I would personally go LSvtec with you favorite brand pistons and rods and boost it. The lsvtec will be cheaper than the gsr and make more torque.
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The only difference between a B18C and GSR is 10 horsepower and it's just a diff head.
It would be cheaper to just get a GSR and boost it. If you have the money and want to spend it, Get a JDM B18C type R.
It would be cheaper to just get a GSR and boost it. If you have the money and want to spend it, Get a JDM B18C type R.
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ok so im about to get a 97 spec jdm b18c type r engine motor swap.
including the block/head/tranny/internals
now the question is, how do i make it fit into my 1990 crx si??
im about to buy the cable to tranny conversion and i can use my mounts from my b18ls swap.
can i also use the axels and shift linkage and whatever else i need form my ls swap or will i want to get better ones to handle the extra power?
including the block/head/tranny/internals
now the question is, how do i make it fit into my 1990 crx si??
im about to buy the cable to tranny conversion and i can use my mounts from my b18ls swap.
can i also use the axels and shift linkage and whatever else i need form my ls swap or will i want to get better ones to handle the extra power?
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Re: Suggestions on motor swap.
ok so im about to get a 97 spec jdm b18c type r engine motor swap.
including the block/head/tranny/internals
now the question is, how do i make it fit into my 1990 crx si??
im about to buy the cable to tranny conversion and i can use my mounts from my b18ls swap.
can i also use the axels and shift linkage and whatever else i need form my ls swap or will i want to get better ones to handle the extra power?
including the block/head/tranny/internals
now the question is, how do i make it fit into my 1990 crx si??
im about to buy the cable to tranny conversion and i can use my mounts from my b18ls swap.
can i also use the axels and shift linkage and whatever else i need form my ls swap or will i want to get better ones to handle the extra power?
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