CB

hey guys,
I have a 98 gsr and originally had plans of going with an N/A build. However, in the past I kept debating about the possibility of going with a turbo kit. So I purchased an intake and a spoon n1 to stay focused on my original plan. BUT, my dad recently purchased another toy and has been giving me a hard time on how slow my car is.

to make a long story short - I want to put him in his seat and blow the doors off this car. I'm looking at a Full Race stage 1 or 2 GT series kit. I know my muffler will restrict me from making more power but how significant would it be? I would go with a wider b pipe; maybe a 3"? Any help is appreciated.

btw - the car is a 08 Dodge Challenger srt8

blinx9900

any reason you want to keep it on there? turbo motors tend to burn out mufflers, i would hat to see that expensive axleback get burned out.

Take it off and sell it. Then put a decent 3" on there. I would prefer to see you with a 60mm b-pipe and a 3" axleback than vice versa.

CB

really??? I didn't know turbo motors do that to mufflers. The reason I want to keep it is because I just bought it. This car is a project I've been working on for the past 8 months. I've probably only driven it 10 times from the time I installed it.

jdm_dc_fan

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they run low 13's so it shouldnt be too hard to "blow his doors off"

BiggieBert

you would have no problem selling it. blinx makes a good point too, my turbo setup i just bought a 3" c/b made for honda turbos and called it a day, Its Spoon, I'd take it off put matchin pipe and decide later what to do with my beautifully crafted Spoon muffler, ah Spoon. It shouldn't be hard finding a relatively cheap replacement

edit* to put that v8 in its place

CB

alrite maybe I'll look into selling it....

instead of making a new topic I might as well ask it here

- Does anyone have experience with either of the Full Race stage 1 or 2 GT series kits? I'm looking for a quality kit that won't be too over the top for my motor and will spool quickly. Number wise I'm looking for 350-400whp. Also, I'm planning on keeping the motor stock and possibly later on building it.

blinx9900

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alrite maybe I'll look into selling it....

instead of making a new topic I might as well ask it here

- Does anyone have experience with either of the Full Race stage 1 or 2 GT series kits? I'm looking for a quality kit that won't be too over the top for my motor and will spool quickly. Number wise I'm looking for 350-400whp. Also, I'm planning on keeping the motor stock and possibly later on building it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like you want a ball bearing turbo for SURE! so if buying full-race make sure to get the GT version of the kit, AFI also makes nice stuff for A LOT less money and they also offer GT turbo upgrades, i suggest a GT3076R, its just about the fastest spooling turbo that will make that much power and still give you room for a bit more if you need it.

CB

thanks man I'll take a look at AFI. yea I'm looking for a ball bearing set up and am debating about the gt28r or the GT3076r if I go boost

blinx9900

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks man I'll take a look at AFI. yea I'm looking for a ball bearing set up and am debating about the gt28r or the GT3076r if I go boost</TD></TR></TABLE>

forget about the gt28r that thing can hardly muster 300hp. Your probably thinking of the gt28rs which is good for about 350, sure some people have made more but the thing really does not like making anymore than 350hp while the gt3076r is good for about 500-550hp. i personally have a gt3076r on a 1.6 and i love it! 333whp at 12psi and 91 octane

CB

yea I meant the gt28rs. I had a feeling it maxed out pretty early thats why I asked about the kit. Is your b16 built or is it currently stock? Those are great numbers for that psi and octane

blinx9900

its a b16a block rebuilt and bored to 81.5mm with PR4 (LS) pistons and fresh bearings, .050 head gasket and and OEM B16b head with CTR cams and 3 angle valve job. supporting mods are full 3" dp/exhaust, ramhorn mani... um thats it really.

i have a sunk2pro IM and a 68mm tb now but the 333whp was made on a OEM ctr intake mani and oem b16b 60mm tb. tuned with AEM EMS btw...

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

You don't have to use a GT-R series turbo to do that. FR has options for journal bearing that will for your needs for 350-400whp easily. But I do recommend building the engine with forged components after 350whp, though.

CB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its a b16a block rebuilt and bored to 81.5mm with PR4 (LS) pistons and fresh bearings, .050 head gasket and and OEM B16b head with CTR cams and 3 angle valve job. supporting mods are full 3" dp/exhaust, ramhorn mani... um thats it really.

i have a sunk2pro IM and a 68mm tb now but the 333whp was made on a OEM ctr intake mani and oem b16b 60mm tb. tuned with AEM EMS btw...</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey thanks for the reply man. I'm probably going to shoot for similar numbers.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't have to use a GT-R series turbo to do that. FR has options for journal bearing that will for your needs for 350-400whp easily. But I do recommend building the engine with forged components after 350whp, though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

FR? I'll do a search on that. I'm pretty new to the turbo scene so I really don't know what journal bearings are either. I guess I have some homework to do. yes, the one thing I do know is how you can only have so much hp before detonation. I plan on going semi conservative before I back up my motor with forged components later on. thanks for the help.

blinx9900

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't have to use a GT-R series turbo to do that. FR has options for journal bearing that will for your needs for 350-400whp easily. But I do recommend building the engine with forged components after 350whp, though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well there are a lot of things we dont "have" to do, we dont have to upgrade our iat sensor, and we dont have to run a 3" exhuast on boosted cars but you cant argue its a good idea and well worth it imo...

odishaw

hey just thought i could put my .2 in.. but i have a gt2871r on my b18b... built bottom end.. made 287whp on 14lbs..(stock internal wastegate) and and made 321wph on 16-17lbs.. makes full boost at about 3200rpms... prolly a bit generous on that number.. i personally like it alot.. its a pretty responsive setup while still making a decent amount of power.. ive turned the boost up to 20lbs.. but i had a slightly blown headgasket.. but to give you an idea on a highway pull.. 4th-5th gears.. i slightly pulled on a c6 corvette(not z06).. i dunno, just to give you an idea as to what it can do

any questions just pm me..


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Modified by odishaw at 8:29 PM 9/18/2008

CB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by odishaw &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey just thought i could put my .2 in.. but i have a gt2871r on my b18b... built bottom end.. made 287whp on 14lbs..(stock internal wastegate) and and made 321wph on 16-17lbs.. makes full boost at about 3200rpms... prolly a bit generous on that number.. i personally like it alot.. its a pretty responsive setup while still making a decent amount of power.. ive turned the boost up to 20lbs.. but i had a slightly blown headgasket.. but to give you an idea on a highway pull.. 4th-5th gears.. i slightly pulled on a c6 corvette(not z06).. i dunno, just to give you an idea as to what it can do

any questions just pm me..


thanks a lot for the input man. sounds like you have a really quick set up. not sure if I could ever run 20lbs though. I'd be too worried about blowing something up even with a built bottem end. thanks again

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