this sound like a complete setup? (sohc ninja!)
10-28-2004, 02:47 PM
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this sound like a complete setup? (sohc ninja!)
ok, well i think i made my decision. i want to run a stock jdm d15b, and build a z6 block on the side.
how does this list look to you?
i realize some prices are a bit high, but thats just round estimates.
i rather have them be higher, and me find them lower than vice versa.
just a few questions:
1: i am looking at the spec stage-3 4-puck clutch... will that be a bitch much for a daily driver? the price is great, only $281. (http://www.optionimports.com/spclkitst3fo9.html)
2: does this look like a complete list for a swap into a 94 s model del sol?
3: can anyone reccomend a good manifold. i want something that looks very nice, almost like the ssautochrome, just not a piece of crap.
4: for a daily driver thats prob. driven around 300 miles weekly, will 10psi be too much on a stock d15b? im looking for around 220whp.
5: are dsm 450's big enough?
Modified by jbell at 6:58 PM 10/28/2004
how does this list look to you?
i realize some prices are a bit high, but thats just round estimates.
i rather have them be higher, and me find them lower than vice versa.
just a few questions:
1: i am looking at the spec stage-3 4-puck clutch... will that be a bitch much for a daily driver? the price is great, only $281. (http://www.optionimports.com/spclkitst3fo9.html)
2: does this look like a complete list for a swap into a 94 s model del sol?
3: can anyone reccomend a good manifold. i want something that looks very nice, almost like the ssautochrome, just not a piece of crap.
4: for a daily driver thats prob. driven around 300 miles weekly, will 10psi be too much on a stock d15b? im looking for around 220whp.
5: are dsm 450's big enough?
Modified by jbell at 6:58 PM 10/28/2004
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, well i think i made my decision. i want to run a stock jdm d15b, and build a z6 block on the side.
how does this list look to you?
1000 jdm d15
0050 shifter bushings
0300 fluidyne radiator
0060 hondata gasket
0300 uberdata
0075 dsm 450 injectors
0200 jrc intercooler
0500 t3 turbo
0250 manifold
0100 downpipe
0200 tial wastegate
0050 arp headstuds
0400 stage 3 clutch*
0075 apexi turbo timer
0050 aem fuel pressure reg.
0150 blow off valve
0100 intercooler piping
0150 gauges
0500 exhaust
0100 some b.s. intake
0100 fuel pump
0120 oil kit (fast-turbo)
i realize some prices are a bit high, but thats just round estimates.
i rather have them be higher, and me find them lower than vice versa.
just a few questions:
1: i am looking at the spec stage-3 4-puck clutch... will that be a bitch much for a daily driver? the price is great, only $281. (http://www.optionimports.com/spclkitst3fo9.html)
2: does this look like a complete list for a swap into a 94 s model del sol?
3: can anyone reccomend a good manifold. i want something that looks very nice, almost like the ssautochrome, just not a piece of crap.
4: for a daily driver thats prob. driven around 300 miles weekly, will 10psi be too much on a stock d15b? im looking for around 220whp.
5: are dsm 450's big enough?</TD></TR></TABLE>
1. Yes, a 3-4 puck clutch will be a bitch for DD. Also depends on the pressure plate. For a daily driver, I wouldn't get something so aggressive.
2. Yea, That looks pretty complete to me.
3. If you want one looking like the SS autochrome, then im guessing you want an equal length manifold. If money isn't a problem, check out full race and lovefab.
4. 10 psi is fine for a DD.With a good tune that is. Also, what size is the t3 that you plan to run?
5. yea, dsm 450cc injectors are fine for 10psi.
Also, i saw that you quoted a jdm d15b for 1000...do you mean that is a complete swap w/ tranny? Either way, that is wayyyy over priced. Over in Cali, I can get a jdm d15b longblock for 180$ with low miles. For you, try http://www.hmotorsonline.com
Good luck with your set-up
how does this list look to you?
1000 jdm d15
0050 shifter bushings
0300 fluidyne radiator
0060 hondata gasket
0300 uberdata
0075 dsm 450 injectors
0200 jrc intercooler
0500 t3 turbo
0250 manifold
0100 downpipe
0200 tial wastegate
0050 arp headstuds
0400 stage 3 clutch*
0075 apexi turbo timer
0050 aem fuel pressure reg.
0150 blow off valve
0100 intercooler piping
0150 gauges
0500 exhaust
0100 some b.s. intake
0100 fuel pump
0120 oil kit (fast-turbo)
i realize some prices are a bit high, but thats just round estimates.
i rather have them be higher, and me find them lower than vice versa.
just a few questions:
1: i am looking at the spec stage-3 4-puck clutch... will that be a bitch much for a daily driver? the price is great, only $281. (http://www.optionimports.com/spclkitst3fo9.html)
2: does this look like a complete list for a swap into a 94 s model del sol?
3: can anyone reccomend a good manifold. i want something that looks very nice, almost like the ssautochrome, just not a piece of crap.
4: for a daily driver thats prob. driven around 300 miles weekly, will 10psi be too much on a stock d15b? im looking for around 220whp.
5: are dsm 450's big enough?</TD></TR></TABLE>
1. Yes, a 3-4 puck clutch will be a bitch for DD. Also depends on the pressure plate. For a daily driver, I wouldn't get something so aggressive.
2. Yea, That looks pretty complete to me.
3. If you want one looking like the SS autochrome, then im guessing you want an equal length manifold. If money isn't a problem, check out full race and lovefab.
4. 10 psi is fine for a DD.With a good tune that is. Also, what size is the t3 that you plan to run?
5. yea, dsm 450cc injectors are fine for 10psi.
Also, i saw that you quoted a jdm d15b for 1000...do you mean that is a complete swap w/ tranny? Either way, that is wayyyy over priced. Over in Cali, I can get a jdm d15b longblock for 180$ with low miles. For you, try http://www.hmotorsonline.com
Good luck with your set-up
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (xtremeazian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xtremeazian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. Yes, a 3-4 puck clutch will be a bitch for DD. Also depends on the pressure plate. For a daily driver, I wouldn't get something so aggressive.
2. Yea, That looks pretty complete to me.
3. If you want one looking like the SS autochrome, then im guessing you want an equal length manifold. If money isn't a problem, check out full race and lovefab.
4. 10 psi is fine for a DD.With a good tune that is. Also, what size is the t3 that you plan to run?
5. yea, dsm 450cc injectors are fine for 10psi.
Also, i saw that you quoted a jdm d15b for 1000...do you mean that is a complete swap w/ tranny? Either way, that is wayyyy over priced. Over in Cali, I can get a jdm d15b longblock for 180$ with low miles. For you, try http://www.hmotorsonline.com
Good luck with your set-up </TD></TR></TABLE>
1. any reccomendations on a clutch?
2. they are a bit out of my price range..
3. im not sure what size turbo would be best...
4. i realize its overpriced. basically i need the engine, the trans + lsd, and whatever else i can't use off my non-vtec d15...
2. Yea, That looks pretty complete to me.
3. If you want one looking like the SS autochrome, then im guessing you want an equal length manifold. If money isn't a problem, check out full race and lovefab.
4. 10 psi is fine for a DD.With a good tune that is. Also, what size is the t3 that you plan to run?
5. yea, dsm 450cc injectors are fine for 10psi.
Also, i saw that you quoted a jdm d15b for 1000...do you mean that is a complete swap w/ tranny? Either way, that is wayyyy over priced. Over in Cali, I can get a jdm d15b longblock for 180$ with low miles. For you, try http://www.hmotorsonline.com
Good luck with your set-up
</TD></TR></TABLE>1. any reccomendations on a clutch?
2. they are a bit out of my price range..
3. im not sure what size turbo would be best...
4. i realize its overpriced. basically i need the engine, the trans + lsd, and whatever else i can't use off my non-vtec d15...
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
along with my above questions, one more...
5: what do you all think would be faster. the above setup or a b18c5, minor bolt ons with a chipped p28?
5: what do you all think would be faster. the above setup or a b18c5, minor bolt ons with a chipped p28?
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">along with my above questions, one more...
5: what do you all think would be faster. the above setup or a b18c5, minor bolt ons with a chipped p28?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have a similar set-up as to what you have quoted in your first post, to answer your question i have raced 3 cars with type r motors in them, first was a crx with itr swap, pulled him by atleast 5 cars, raced same chassis as me with a itr swap about the same outcome, raced a da with itr swap, nasty- couple of buses. So to answer your question you should be much faster with a d series turbo
Some recommendations for your list would be to ditch the hondata intake manifold for now(you might as well do an intake manifold+larger throttle body and than install the hondata intake manifold gasket,i dont see why you need a fluidyne radiator( i run the stocker and it works great) forget an intake and just run a screen over the turbo, cheapturbolines.com has the oil line kit for $75 shipped (i run this set-up works great), you dont need arp headstuds yet(if it isnt broken, dont fix it)you dont need an adjustable fpr (thats what the uberdata is for) you havent mentioned a price for tuning your uberdata yet? if your going to do it yourself invest in a wideband, if not leave a couple hundred aside for tuning.
5: what do you all think would be faster. the above setup or a b18c5, minor bolt ons with a chipped p28?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have a similar set-up as to what you have quoted in your first post, to answer your question i have raced 3 cars with type r motors in them, first was a crx with itr swap, pulled him by atleast 5 cars, raced same chassis as me with a itr swap about the same outcome, raced a da with itr swap, nasty- couple of buses. So to answer your question you should be much faster with a d series turbo
Some recommendations for your list would be to ditch the hondata intake manifold for now(you might as well do an intake manifold+larger throttle body and than install the hondata intake manifold gasket,i dont see why you need a fluidyne radiator( i run the stocker and it works great) forget an intake and just run a screen over the turbo, cheapturbolines.com has the oil line kit for $75 shipped (i run this set-up works great), you dont need arp headstuds yet(if it isnt broken, dont fix it)you dont need an adjustable fpr (thats what the uberdata is for) you havent mentioned a price for tuning your uberdata yet? if your going to do it yourself invest in a wideband, if not leave a couple hundred aside for tuning.
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (Devine)
good points. i rather run a filter, just because dust/sand = bad for turbo.
new list =
jdm d15
shifter bushings
fluidyne radiator
uberdata
dyno time ($400)
dsm 450 injectors
jrc intercooler
t3 turbo
manifold
downpipe
tial wastegate
stage 3 clutch
apexi turbo timer
blow off valve
intercooler piping
gauges
exhaust
some b.s. intake
fuel pump
oil kit (fast-turbo)
new list =
jdm d15
shifter bushings
fluidyne radiator
uberdata
dyno time ($400)
dsm 450 injectors
jrc intercooler
t3 turbo
manifold
downpipe
tial wastegate
stage 3 clutch
apexi turbo timer
blow off valve
intercooler piping
gauges
exhaust
some b.s. intake
fuel pump
oil kit (fast-turbo)
10-29-2004, 05:30 AM
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
should i go jdm d15b or z6. whats better for the setup? i heard the d15 had weaker rods... however it comes with a lsd.... what one do i pick!?
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
Your list sounds pretty good. Some things to worry/not worry about.
Your T3 turbo sounds overpriced. For $500 - you can get a REALLY nice hybrid. T3 super 60s and the likes can be had around 300$ if you shop right.
The spec stage 4 clutch is overkill - but as mentioned, its about your pressure plate too.
DSM 440s are good for 220whp easy. No sweat there. I dont know that you'll neccesarily need a Fluidyne radiator - I would wait on it and see if you have any issues. You can run either motor - I would advise the Z6. Doesn't the tranny bolt up to the Z6 - so you can use the LSD?
to start - you can be your OWN turbo timer. Give it 30 seconds after a workout. If you daily drove with little to no boost - give it 10 seconds.
Whats with the shifter bushings? You keep mentioning that? Why? Get a cheap short shifter on e bay fro 15$ and forget about them too..
Your set up sounds good. A D16Z6 with turbo and stand alone can easily produce the 220whp that your looking for. Plus - the D series is known for making great torque. A B18C5 is never going to hit that on bolt ons - you'll need a built motor and stand alone.
Go D turbo and be happy. Best luck.
Your T3 turbo sounds overpriced. For $500 - you can get a REALLY nice hybrid. T3 super 60s and the likes can be had around 300$ if you shop right.
The spec stage 4 clutch is overkill - but as mentioned, its about your pressure plate too.
DSM 440s are good for 220whp easy. No sweat there. I dont know that you'll neccesarily need a Fluidyne radiator - I would wait on it and see if you have any issues. You can run either motor - I would advise the Z6. Doesn't the tranny bolt up to the Z6 - so you can use the LSD?
to start - you can be your OWN turbo timer. Give it 30 seconds after a workout. If you daily drove with little to no boost - give it 10 seconds.
Whats with the shifter bushings? You keep mentioning that? Why? Get a cheap short shifter on e bay fro 15$ and forget about them too..
Your set up sounds good. A D16Z6 with turbo and stand alone can easily produce the 220whp that your looking for. Plus - the D series is known for making great torque. A B18C5 is never going to hit that on bolt ons - you'll need a built motor and stand alone.
Go D turbo and be happy. Best luck.
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, well i think i made my decision. i want to run a stock jdm d15b, and build a z6 block on the side.
how does this list look to you?
i realize some prices are a bit high, but thats just round estimates.
i rather have them be higher, and me find them lower than vice versa.
just a few questions:
1: i am looking at the spec stage-3 4-puck clutch... will that be a bitch much for a daily driver? the price is great, only $281. (http://www.optionimports.com/spclkitst3fo9.html)
2: does this look like a complete list for a swap into a 94 s model del sol?
3: can anyone reccomend a good manifold. i want something that looks very nice, almost like the ssautochrome, just not a piece of crap.
4: for a daily driver thats prob. driven around 300 miles weekly, will 10psi be too much on a stock d15b? im looking for around 220whp.
5: are dsm 450's big enough?
Modified by jbell at 6:58 PM 10/28/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Some of those prices are high as hell IMO. Like the swap and turbo.
how does this list look to you?
i realize some prices are a bit high, but thats just round estimates.
i rather have them be higher, and me find them lower than vice versa.
just a few questions:
1: i am looking at the spec stage-3 4-puck clutch... will that be a bitch much for a daily driver? the price is great, only $281. (http://www.optionimports.com/spclkitst3fo9.html)
2: does this look like a complete list for a swap into a 94 s model del sol?
3: can anyone reccomend a good manifold. i want something that looks very nice, almost like the ssautochrome, just not a piece of crap.
4: for a daily driver thats prob. driven around 300 miles weekly, will 10psi be too much on a stock d15b? im looking for around 220whp.
5: are dsm 450's big enough?
Modified by jbell at 6:58 PM 10/28/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Some of those prices are high as hell IMO. Like the swap and turbo.
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">should i go jdm d15b or z6. whats better for the setup? i heard the d15 had weaker rods... however it comes with a lsd.... what one do i pick!?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats a myth, someone posted a pic of z6 and d15b rods side by side.The z6 and the d15b have identical rods as far as thickness, d15b just has shorter rods.
Thats a myth, someone posted a pic of z6 and d15b rods side by side.The z6 and the d15b have identical rods as far as thickness, d15b just has shorter rods.
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (Devine)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Devine »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thats a myth, someone posted a pic of z6 and d15b rods side by side.The z6 and the d15b have identical rods as far as thickness, d15b just has shorter rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think you are correct, the d15b had thicker rods like the d16 rods.
Thats a myth, someone posted a pic of z6 and d15b rods side by side.The z6 and the d15b have identical rods as far as thickness, d15b just has shorter rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think you are correct, the d15b had thicker rods like the d16 rods.
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (Bserieskllr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
$50 for some shifter bushings?? Engery Suspension $13 shipped pm me</TD></TR></TABLE>
$50 for some shifter bushings?? Engery Suspension $13 shipped pm me
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (Devine)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Devine »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thats a myth, someone posted a pic of z6 and d15b rods side by side.The z6 and the d15b have identical rods as far as thickness, d15b just has shorter rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
correct! i just cant find my picture anymore
but the d15b supposedly has smaller main journals...? 55mm vs. 45mm? something like that... (correct me dammit!)
Thats a myth, someone posted a pic of z6 and d15b rods side by side.The z6 and the d15b have identical rods as far as thickness, d15b just has shorter rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
correct! i just cant find my picture anymore
but the d15b supposedly has smaller main journals...? 55mm vs. 45mm? something like that... (correct me dammit!)
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Re: this sound like a complete setup? (jbell)
Your plan sounds good to me, but be careful when boosting a d series. I know a guy who is on his 4th, that's right
, , , th motor. This time he decided to build it up right, with upgraded rods and pistons. He used to do "highway pulls" and blew a few that way. By like starting at a low rpm in 4th gear and gunning it until it hit redline (when it was already really hot) and the head would seperate from the block with I think a 60 sized t3. On one motor swap out he was able to make some money by taking the head from one (i think he sold the non vtec head on it) and the bottom end off another and sold it for $200 more than the new motor he had bought. But the motor swaps have been a real bitch, we had to tell him we couldn't help with another unless it was fully built. 
Now we have 0 problems other than cops.
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