Sh!t box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
#101
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Had a chance to get out and drive the car tonight. Like I said I set base fuel pressure to 65psi (previously 45psi) and updated the injector battery offsets for 65psi base pressure as well. Idle and part throttle needed some fuel pulled out and needed to be touched up here and there, but wot was basically exactly the same afr. I’m a little confused, I thought for sure I’d have to pull fuel out of the higher load area of the maps with the higher fuel pressure, as injector dead times make very small changes in afr at longer pulse widths. Idk it’s almost like the fuel pressure isn’t raising at a 1:1 ratio like it’s supposed too, but I’m not sure. It just doesn’t seem right to me, higher fuel pressure should equal lower injector duty cycle at the same power level. Right?
For those of you that have retuned your car after increasing base fuel pressure does this seem right? Hopefully that new regulator isn’t a problem..
For those of you that have retuned your car after increasing base fuel pressure does this seem right? Hopefully that new regulator isn’t a problem..
#103
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
The offsets do change, but I'd imagine it would only be a slight difference noticeable only at idle. The overall compensation is the big piece. When jumping to 65psi I would expect -30% to -40% would be needed.
#105
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Yes I adjusted my overall fuel trim after updating the dead times to bring idle afr back to what it was. It was previously set a +3% and bringing it to zero brought idle right back to where it was, then had to touch up part throttle and didn’t even touch the boost columns. So my overall fuel trim is only 3% less then it was and my base pressure is 20psi higher and wot afr is basically exactly the same. So that seems right to you guys? I seriously thought I’d be pulling a lot of fuel..
#106
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
In Smanager fuel trim calculator, going from 43.5psi to 65psi should result in -18% overall fuel compensation.
#107
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Okay I figured it all out lol. Long story short my b&m fuel pressure gauge went out, it said I had 65psi base pressure, but it was really only 50psi. So that makes more sense that it only needed a 3% reduction in fuel to bring afr back to target. I started the car up today and noticed my fuel pressure gauge was jumping all over the place wildly at idle, I was like wtf it wasn’t doing that before. I drove it around and the afrs were perfect, so I figured fuel pressure was fine and that the gauge was just bad. So I went and bought another b&m pressure gauge locally, when I installed it the needle was rock solid at idle. I turned the engine off and turned the fuel pump on in Neptune and the base pressure was only 50psi, so I cranked it up to 65psi. After retuning the fuel maps it ended up needing 7-8% fuel pulled out of the high load part of the maps. So this makes a lot more sense now lol. A total of about 10-11% fuel total needed to be pulled with a 20% increase in base fuel pressure.
After getting back from driving it I noticed my pressure gauge once again jumping around like crazy. Are b&m pressure gauges just garbage or can they not handle higher fuel pressure of something? Maybe I’ll move the gauge to the regulator instead of on the rail and see if that helps, but that would be stupid if it went out again in less then a day.
Now it’s time to get some e85 👍🏼
After getting back from driving it I noticed my pressure gauge once again jumping around like crazy. Are b&m pressure gauges just garbage or can they not handle higher fuel pressure of something? Maybe I’ll move the gauge to the regulator instead of on the rail and see if that helps, but that would be stupid if it went out again in less then a day.
Now it’s time to get some e85 👍🏼
#108
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Okay I figured it all out lol. Long story short my b&m fuel pressure gauge went out, it said I had 65psi base pressure, but it was really only 50psi. So that makes more sense that it only needed a 3% reduction in fuel to bring afr back to target. I started the car up today and noticed my fuel pressure gauge was jumping all over the place wildly at idle, I was like wtf it wasn’t doing that before. I drove it around and the afrs were perfect, so I figured fuel pressure was fine and that the gauge was just bad. So I went and bought another b&m pressure gauge locally, when I installed it the needle was rock solid at idle. I turned the engine off and turned the fuel pump on in Neptune and the base pressure was only 50psi, so I cranked it up to 65psi. After retuning the fuel maps it ended up needing 7-8% fuel pulled out of the high load part of the maps. So this makes a lot more sense now lol. A total of about 10-11% fuel total needed to be pulled with a 20% increase in base fuel pressure.
After getting back from driving it I noticed my pressure gauge once again jumping around like crazy. Are b&m pressure gauges just garbage or can they not handle higher fuel pressure of something? Maybe I’ll move the gauge to the regulator instead of on the rail and see if that helps, but that would be stupid if it went out again in less then a day.
Now it’s time to get some e85 👍🏼
After getting back from driving it I noticed my pressure gauge once again jumping around like crazy. Are b&m pressure gauges just garbage or can they not handle higher fuel pressure of something? Maybe I’ll move the gauge to the regulator instead of on the rail and see if that helps, but that would be stupid if it went out again in less then a day.
Now it’s time to get some e85 👍🏼
Last edited by TheShodan; 05-20-2018 at 07:03 AM.
#109
Moderator
iTrader: (14)
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
I've known the B&M guages to have been garbage for 10 years+. The fluid in guage leaks, the needles always lose center and vibrate out of accuracy, regardless of their location. I switched to an Autometer right on the fuel filter and haven't had a problem since. I've learned to stay away from them.
#110
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
I've known the B&M guages to have been garbage for 10 years+. The fluid in guage leaks, the needles always lose center and vibrate out of accuracy, regardless of their location. I switched to an Autometer right on the fuel filter and haven't had a problem since. I've learned to stay away from them.
#111
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
All i know, ive had thd same b&m gauage for nine years. Had b&m also on my integra before that. Both mounted the same. Another member recently had problems with his fuel pressure gauge. He had a grams crack on the dyno. Believe his was mijnted on the rail aswell.
#112
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Yeah I’m pretty sure the failure is related to the higher fuel pressure. My first b&m gauge worked fine for a couple years at stock fuel pressure and then failed within a day of higher pressure, new b&m gauge again failed first day at higher pressure.
#113
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Was able to return my faulty b&m gauge and ordered an aeromotive instead. Turns out the aeromotive gauge is made by autometer. I went ahead and mounted it directly to the fpr. Reads rock solid so far and I have no doubt that it will continue to do so. Reads about 56psi at idle with vacuum and 65psi without. E85 coming soon. Should have plenty of fuel for this little hunter turbo.
#114
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
E85 is gonna haul ***.
That exposed belt makes me cringe though. Im always terrified to run without the covers lol. My buddies LS car had a rock fall down in there once and it flung back up and shattered the valve cover when we were moving him out west.
That exposed belt makes me cringe though. Im always terrified to run without the covers lol. My buddies LS car had a rock fall down in there once and it flung back up and shattered the valve cover when we were moving him out west.
#115
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Not to beat a dead horse...but I've had the same issue w/ B&M gauges here a few times back to back maybe 5 years ago. They were either bad out the box or would be bad shortly after. We now use Aeromotive or Turbosmart FP gauges which have been a rock solid substitute.
#116
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Ive never had an issue running without the top timing cover in over 10 years haha, but that doesn’t mean I won’t. You’re probably right, but I’m not too worried about it. Hopefully I don’t eat my words lol.
Yup wish I knew that before wasting time and money. Lesson learned.
#118
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
#119
Premium Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
I'm not really sure yet. I didn't even know such a thing existed until recently but it does seem to work reasonably well with Neptune logs. Apparently it's accurate within a few percent of a real dyno too if the data you input is accurate. I'm lucky enough to have some nice, straight, flat backroads around me with zero traffic that I can do testing on. I tested a few logs already and if the results are to be believed then I'm making a bit more power than what I was initially thinking. I think it's a really cool tool because you can really see where the power stops, if you have tune inconsistencies, etc. I could see the difference between a degree of timing and a slightly leaner AFR during back to back runs which I thought was pretty spectacular for free software. I don't have a real dyno within 3-4 hours of me so my options have always been limited.
I was wondering what it said about your coupe because that thing scoots lol. It's so light too. I'm envious of the Civic guys in that aspect because I'm pulling around a ~2750lb Accord and I'm 245 myself.
I was wondering what it said about your coupe because that thing scoots lol. It's so light too. I'm envious of the Civic guys in that aspect because I'm pulling around a ~2750lb Accord and I'm 245 myself.
#120
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Yeah I think it is fairly accurate because based on my trap speed and weight I’m right around 400whp and that’s about what this 4th gear run says. This wasn’t the smoothest road tho. And it’s funny when you get wheel spin haha! It’s obvious I lost broke traction at ~5600rpm on the 3rd gear run. Man if you’re getting that good of results with it then I’ll definitely mess with it more on a super smooth road. Feel free to post up some of your graphs, I’m curious what yours look like.
#121
Premium Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
700hp coupe ftw hahaha. I don't really spin so I've yet to see one like that lol. I'll post some up after I log some more passes just to make sure I'm getting consistent results.
#122
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Looks great!!! Did you run e85 for this pull? Just curious, where do you think you're getting all this torque from (compared to my setup)?? You have 25hp but like 80tq more than me. Can this be attributed to your manifold? And when are you shifting?
#123
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
I also noticed that I’m eating up my r888s with all the spinning in 3rd gear lol. With the warmer weather 3rd spins at 16-17psi, but still pulls hard while spinning. I’m definitely getting some pretty wicked torque steer on anything other then a perfect road. I’m wondering if a set of traction bars would help this??
#124
Premium Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Yeah. I was considering doing a 4th gear pull earlier for more consistent results, thinking a longer sample would help, but with the way my trans is geared I would have been doing about 130mph down some backroads at dusk. No thanks lol. Top of 3rd is 100mph as it is. I tried to get some decent logs earlier and couldn't get them like before, even on the same exact road. VD seems very picky about giving smooth graphs but I guess really it's dependent on the log itself. One said I was making 1800hp lmao.
#125
Honda-Tech Member
re: **** box 2.0 - Turbo "Hunter" GS-R swapped EJ1 build thread
Reading about this virtual dyno stuff really piqued my interest, so I decided to try it out as well! I think I must be having wheelspin in 3rd even when it's not super noticeable on the datalog, because every log I put it told me I was making 1200hp
Definitely not sure I'd trust the numbers even on a smooth run, although it is a neat tool to play around with. Perhaps you are right that a 4th gear pull is needed, but I am not brave enough to top out 4th on the street. Not even sure what mph that would be at on my LS trans.... 140 maybe?
Definitely not sure I'd trust the numbers even on a smooth run, although it is a neat tool to play around with. Perhaps you are right that a 4th gear pull is needed, but I am not brave enough to top out 4th on the street. Not even sure what mph that would be at on my LS trans.... 140 maybe?