S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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Default S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

So I was going to do a pump gas only tune on my S, because I'll never track it and will never bring myself to spend that much $$ per gallon on c16....I recently found e85 near me, and saw a thread where a built motor s2000 made 704whp on E85.
My motor will remain stock, but on high boost, I'm thinking I want around 600whp.

I already have ID 1000cc injectors and a 255 intank pump. I know this will not be enough fuel for my power goals. Will simply adding a bosch 044 inline after the fuel filter and aeromotive FPR be enough? I am not changing the stock lines, I'm trying not to go crazy on spending either. So will another walbro inline be enough, or should I go for the bosch?
BTW this is an 02, so it is a return type fuel system.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 02:17 PM
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So I was going to do a pump gas only tune on my S, because I'll never track it and will never bring myself to spend that much $$ per gallon on c16....I recently found e85 near me, and saw a thread where a built motor s2000 made 704whp on E85.
My motor will remain stock, but on high boost, I'm thinking I want around 600whp.

I already have ID 1000cc injectors and a 255 intank pump. I know this will not be enough fuel for my power goals. Will simply adding a bosch 044 inline after the fuel filter and aeromotive FPR be enough? I am not changing the stock lines, I'm trying not to go crazy on spending either. So will another walbro inline be enough, or should I go for the bosch?
BTW this is an 02, so it is a return type fuel system.

The fullblown kit you can run the stock lines. there are adapters so you can run the stock line with 2 intank pumps.

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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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Yeah but your kit is an extra $300 plus $100 for the pump, that's 400 without the FPR.

A bosch is 200 and the fpr is 160, 360 vs. 560. I've already spent enough on this project which is just for my own pleasure, I am trying to save wherever possible.

If that is a better option and will support more whp than with one intank and a bosch, then it might be worth it. How much can two intanks with stock lines support?
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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Yeah but your kit is an extra $300 plus $100 for the pump, that's 400 without the FPR.

A bosch is 200 and the fpr is 160, 360 vs. 560. I've already spent enough on this project which is just for my own pleasure, I am trying to save wherever possible.

If that is a better option and will support more whp than with one intank and a bosch, then it might be worth it. How much can two intanks with stock lines support?
600 should not be a problem with the dual pump hanger.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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I am pretty sure Miller made 600whp or just a tick under it with the ID1000's, an intank 255 and an inline 044 in an SK2, I dont think the pumps were holding him back the Injectors were pretty much maxed out.

To get the most out of the ID1000's you will need to run the Inline Bosch044 to get the base fuel pressure up to 100psi, the dual walbro's cant do that.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 04:37 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Okay sounds good. So the 044 inline is the way to go with an FPR.

Base pressure really needs to be 100psi? Because on the info listed for the aeromotive a1000 fpr, it says base pressure is adjustable up to 75psi. Am I missing something?
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 06:15 PM
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Yes an Intank 255 to an Inline 044.

Yea to get the most out of the ID1000's they need to be ran at 100psi base with a 1:1 Rising Regulator, according to the flow charts they flow about 1500cc's at 100psi base, which is what you need to make 600whp on Corn.

I will be using the above mentioned fuel system with a Weldon Regulator, the part number ends with -120 I verified this part with a Weldon rep to be safe using the high base pressure.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

how much is the weldon regulator?
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:56 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

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how much is the weldon regulator?
http://www.weldonracing.com/product/...Regulator.html

The price Weldon has on their site is the cheapest I've found. Then again, I only searched for the best price for 15 minutes.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 10:14 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

So should I use the weldon or the aeromotive?
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

If you need your base fuel pressure to be close to 100psi or more, go with the Weldon.

You need your base fuel pressure to be 100psi if you expect for the ID 1000's to act like 1500's.
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Theres a cheaper fuel reg out there that supports 100psi and alcohol.
mallory racing fuel reg part # 650-4305M
http://www.jegs.com/p/Mallory/Mallor...45077/10002/-1
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 08:22 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Originally Posted by m R g S r
So should I use the weldon or the aeromotive?

aeromotive does have one that will go to 150psi or so. You may need to just change a spring.

otherwise a fuelab or weldon sells it as well. weldon goes to 200
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 03:27 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Originally Posted by Under_Pressure
Theres a cheaper fuel reg out there that supports 100psi and alcohol.
mallory racing fuel reg part # 650-4305M
http://www.jegs.com/p/Mallory/Mallor...45077/10002/-1
Is this Reg rated to 100psi base or 100psi peak?

If its rated at its peak psi you might have issues, remember fuel pressure rises with boost.
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 05:48 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

all the pressures are base. if it says 100 then im sure it will be fine.

fuelab came out with a mini regulator that has a base pressure up to 125.

it works kinda like a wastegate.

you can have a 10psi spring run 40+lbs of boost. (setup dependent)

the difference is when you turn the set screw it allows the spring to open to a certain peak pressure.
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Old Jun 17, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Or you could just run some 1600CC injectors and sain pressures. With E85 your min pulsewidth will be higher than on pump gas and your not as likely to have any drivability issues if its tuned properly.. We had 1600s on our all motor car on E85 with a Kpro and it ran fine at part throttle and idle.

We did end up running 1000CC FIC injectors when we switched to Q16, but the fuel requirements were way less with the Q.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugermass
Or you could just run some 1600CC injectors and sain pressures. With E85 your min pulsewidth will be higher than on pump gas and your not as likely to have any drivability issues if its tuned properly.. We had 1600s on our all motor car on E85 with a Kpro and it ran fine at part throttle and idle.

We did end up running 1000CC FIC injectors when we switched to Q16, but the fuel requirements were way less with the Q.

Interesting, my friends 2.0L EG idle'd like dogshit with Precision 1600's and E85, and it definately was not from a bad tune. AFR's were in the 12's at idle or it would start to pop.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 04:48 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Na I don't want the 1600's, I already have the 1000cc injectors.
And besides, I don't think the single intank 255 will be able to support 600whp on E85. Right?

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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by m R g S r
And besides, I don't think the single intank 255 will be able to support 600whp on E85. Right?
This is a correct statement.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

run a bosch 044 and call it the day.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

You will need to run 100psi fuel pressure, period.

You can not run 100psi with an aeromotive regulator or dual walbro pumps.

All you need is a Bosch 044 inline and a Weldon FPR.

We have both in stock if you need them. Been a really popular combo as of lately.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Default Re: S2000 E85 600whp fuel setup?

Thanks guys, I am set on the Bosch and weldon.
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