Really Worth Boosting a d16y8?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 30, 2003 | 09:13 PM
  #1  
totaled's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Default Really Worth Boosting a d16y8?

I know all the possibilities and am looking into a Greddy Stage 2 Kit for my SOHC on a 97 ex, but i was wondering is it really worth it?

Or is it a much better investment to swap for a b18c1?

With all costs in mind, performance, reliability, and value when re-selling, what would you guys say?
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2003 | 09:22 PM
  #2  
civicudesire's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
From: north nj
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

did you try searching before you posted because this topic has been beaten to death. K it's really simple, turbo your sohc. People think sohc are worthless but that couldnt be furthur from the truth. Recently more and more people have been puting up some serious #'s for a sohc. The motor with a decent turbo can tuned can push 220whp no problem. You figure a b18c1 around $3000 and then labor for the swap around $500. For $3500 you could have a sick sohc turbo spanking gsr's and si's easily. I say keep the engine and go turbo. I think if you check out http://www.dseries.org you will see the LIGHT
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 09:49 AM
  #3  
333's Avatar
333
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
From: newtown, ct, usa
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (civicudesire)

why not, I turbo charging my crx hf motor with a 1.5l 8 valve. Real sleeper. You can make real good power also.
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 10:25 AM
  #4  
jazz215's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 723
Likes: 0
From: Hello
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (333)

im installing the greddy kit on my d16z6
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 10:26 AM
  #5  
ahobbs's Avatar
HELLO,GOOD MORNIN'
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,909
Likes: 0
From: Savin lives
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

I know all the possibilities and am looking into a Greddy Stage 2 Kit for my SOHC on a 97 ex, but i was wondering is it really worth it?

Or is it a much better investment to swap for a b18c1?

With all costs in mind, performance, reliability, and value when re-selling, what would you guys say?
Again you must decide do you want a street killer or just somthing fun to drive. I was in the same boat. I wanted somthing fun to drive but i wanted to beat the majority of the poeple i race. On a SOHC you can safely see 160-180whp but if you do a little and push it a tad you can get over 200..well over 200, but i did an LS sawp and with the turbo i see an easy 220 to the wheels and 200 torque. Yes it cost a little more in the end but it's way worth it. WHen you see an all motor car stick with you and your turbo charged. It hurts. But a SOHC can make great power you just have to decide fr your self. I took the swap. and im happy.
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 10:37 AM
  #6  
Smashback's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,650
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Worth, TX
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

forget about resale value...most people won't give you a dime extra on the car for the extra 10k in parts you have installed.
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 10:52 AM
  #7  
ahobbs's Avatar
HELLO,GOOD MORNIN'
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,909
Likes: 0
From: Savin lives
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (Hatchblack)

that's right
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 11:54 AM
  #8  
Drew Peacock's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,361
Likes: 1
From: Where N/A is Not Applicable
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (HybridcivicLS-T)

Whats a B18c make to the wheels about 140whp?? Sohc turbo low boost 6psi 155whp easy! Do the math the torque advantage of boost is also monsterous.
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 12:14 PM
  #9  
ahobbs's Avatar
HELLO,GOOD MORNIN'
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,909
Likes: 0
From: Savin lives
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (turbozxi)

Whats a B18c make to the wheels about 140whp?? Sohc turbo low boost 6psi 155whp easy! Do the math the torque advantage of boost is also monsterous.
No they make 154 and 127torque...............you do the math. You put a turbo on B18c your looking at 240whp at 6psi..........so
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 12:39 PM
  #10  
LS-hatch's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,094
Likes: 0
From: Tallahassee, FL
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

it all has to do with your final goals. do you plan on spending like $3000 total in building your car? Or is this just the first step on your way to like 400hp. A b18c is going to be a lot better choice in the end. By in the end I mean after spending mabey 5k or so total, a b18c will smote almost every sohc with the same amount of money put into it.

Bottom line is the more money you put into it, the more a difference it will be between the Sohc and the Dohc.

Besides I have seen a stock GSR beat a greddy turboed ex (both were in EG's). They ran like 3 times, GSR won every time
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 12:59 PM
  #11  
VTC_CiViC's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,613
Likes: 1
From: Naples, Fl, USA
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (HybridcivicLS-T)


No they make 154 and 127torque...............you do the math. You put a turbo on B18c your looking at 240whp at 6psi..........so
First of all, no they don't. A stock B18C1 will make mid 140whp, a good selection of bolt-ons will see mid-upper 150's, but then you just spend an extra $1000+ for that extra 10whp anyways

Secondly, yes a turbo B18C will make more power than a D16 (btw, show me 240whp @ only 6psi), but then you just spent an EXTRA $3000+ to get it didn't you??

Price per hp, D-series ownz period (unless of course you're already starting with a B16-Si or B18-Teg). Ultimate power, B-series own..
Reply
Old Jan 31, 2003 | 01:07 PM
  #12  
ahobbs's Avatar
HELLO,GOOD MORNIN'
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 8,909
Likes: 0
From: Savin lives
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (VTC_boost-less_CiViC)


No they make 154 and 127torque...............you do the math. You put a turbo on B18c your looking at 240whp at 6psi..........so

First of all, no they don't. A stock B18C1 will make mid 140whp, a good selection of bolt-ons will see mid-upper 150's, but then you just spend an extra $1000+ for that extra 10whp anyways

Secondly, yes a turbo B18C will make more power than a D16 (btw, show me 240whp @ only 6psi), but then you just spent an EXTRA $3000+ to get it didn't you??

Price per hp, D-series ownz period (unless of course you're already starting with a B16-Si or B18-Teg). Ultimate power, B-series own..
Ok numbers off the top of my head im not a computer I never said it wont cost you more in the long run im just saying you'll get a bigger bang for your buck if you go dohc with turbo instead of sohc turbo.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 01:37 AM
  #13  
Jdm_Rice_Monster's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 0
From: Dry Hole Central, TX
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (HybridcivicLS-T)

Just boost what you have. I had a single cam screamer turbo back in the day and I loved it,,,,,,but now my 1.8 turbo owns me.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 06:04 AM
  #14  
Hybrid's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 640
Likes: 0
From: NF, Canada, Canada
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (JdmRiceMonster)

Man boost your sohc, it will be worth it to you once you get in and drive it. Provided you do it correct that is. If you have your fuel management (smc plus with 450ccinjectors, at the very least) online then you should beable to push 8-10psi and see some where around 200hp at the crank, maybe even more.

A pal of mine boosted a D15B7. When he calculated his 1/4 mile times he found he was pushing close to 200whp with that damn thing!

You can also use alot of your sohc turbo components on a B series if you deceide to go that route at some point in time.

I would say buy a used kit and go from there adding parts. At least then you don't need to fabricate your piping or get your oil lines made up and ****.

Good luck.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 09:03 PM
  #15  
totaled's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

i meant .... STOCK (maybe I/H/E) b18c motor vs. a Turbo Charged SOHC d16y8 with i/e and minor fuel upgrades


[Modified by totaled, 7:52 AM 2/2/2003]
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 09:12 PM
  #16  
Smashback's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,650
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Worth, TX
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

gonna be pretty hard to put an intake and header on a turbo car my friend...either way, i blew the doors off of a hatch, just like mine that had a gsr motor with i/h/e. That was before I was tuned, approx 170 WHP in my car. it's the torque that really lets you kill n/a 4 cylinders.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 10:52 PM
  #17  
totaled's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (Hatchblack)

I typed the wrong letter, i ment intake + exhaust only for the turbo setup
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 11:18 PM
  #18  
Sleepin''s Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 347
Likes: 0
From: Colorful Colorado
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

Here's my other engine for the race car. We are still coming up with the rest of the parts and peices for the install.

It was good enough for a 10.88@134 in it's last CRX. Not too shabby for a D15B7. I can't remember what the old dyno sheets were, I just remember they were astronomical.

Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 11:40 PM
  #19  
Drew Peacock's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,361
Likes: 1
From: Where N/A is Not Applicable
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (HybridcivicLS-T)


No they make 154 and 127torque...............you do the math. You put a turbo on B18c your looking at 240whp at 6psi..........so

First of all, no they don't. A stock B18C1 will make mid 140whp, a good selection of bolt-ons will see mid-upper 150's, but then you just spend an extra $1000+ for that extra 10whp anyways

Secondly, yes a turbo B18C will make more power than a D16 (btw, show me 240whp @ only 6psi), but then you just spent an EXTRA $3000+ to get it didn't you??

Price per hp, D-series ownz period (unless of course you're already starting with a B16-Si or B18-Teg). Ultimate power, B-series own..

Ok numbers off the top of my head im not a computer I never said it wont cost you more in the long run im just saying you'll get a bigger bang for your buck if you go dohc with turbo instead of sohc turbo.
Bahaha the original question was is it worth turboing my sohc! The answer is YES. Ps work on that math

At the track boosted FWDs can post poor times compared to N/A FWD cars because of the lack of traction.. get good tyres and suspension and you will be happy.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2003 | 11:49 PM
  #20  
*Boostwerks*'s Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 9,455
Likes: 3
From: I heart tool, US
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (Sleepin')

Here's my other engine for the race car. We are still coming up with the rest of the parts and peices for the install.

It was good enough for a 10.88@134 in it's last CRX. Not too shabby for a D15B7. I can't remember what the old dyno sheets were, I just remember they were astronomical.


(orgasim).....

Would you kindly provide me with more info on this setup please?
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2003 | 12:43 AM
  #21  
Sleepin''s Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 347
Likes: 0
From: Colorful Colorado
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (Bryson)

Not much to it...D15B7, T3/T4, reinforced block, Eagle Rods (i believe), JE slugs (9:1), Kurt Gordon head, knife-edged crank. Running on 26psi & a 150 wet shot with a quaife equipped Si tranny. It was in a 91 CRX, he went to a 2.0, so my teammate and I bought it for an insanely low price (can't say)! We got a good deal seems my teammate used to pit for the guy.

[edit] Oh...and it is NON-VTEC.


[Modified by Sleepin', 4:44 AM 2/2/2003]
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2003 | 01:16 AM
  #22  
uglyasscivic's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,590
Likes: 0
From: SLC, utah, USA
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (Sleepin')

Not much to it...D15B7, T3/T4, reinforced block, Eagle Rods (i believe), JE slugs (9:1), Kurt Gordon head, knife-edged crank. Running on 26psi & a 150 wet shot with a quaife equipped Si tranny. It was in a 91 CRX, he went to a 2.0, so my teammate and I bought it for an insanely low price (can't say)! We got a good deal seems my teammate used to pit for the guy.

[edit] Oh...and it is NON-VTEC.


[Modified by Sleepin', 4:44 AM 2/2/2003]
I always heard that the D15 crank wasn't that strong. I guess that isn't true?
How crazy is the porting on that head? is it just bowl matched with the casting cleaned up? or is it a hogged out head?
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2003 | 01:30 AM
  #23  
Sleepin''s Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 347
Likes: 0
From: Colorful Colorado
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (uglyasscivic)

Its not too wildly done, just enough to be pretty.
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2003 | 09:25 AM
  #24  
totaled's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (turbozxi)

Yea, i was just asking if i should turbo charge my d16y8. I'm not looking to go to the tracks or anything amazing. But i want to have more power just daily driving, and i dont want to spend 2 much money on it right now, so i think thats the route i will go.

My friend is seeling a Vortech Super charger for 2g's full system , but no FMIC....im looking into that 2.

But overall i think turbo is the cheaper of the 2 routes to get some power, and it will still be for the most part reliable.

Agreed?
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2003 | 09:36 AM
  #25  
Drew Peacock's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,361
Likes: 1
From: Where N/A is Not Applicable
Default Re: Really Worth Boosting a d16y8? (totaled)

Yea, i was just asking if i should turbo charge my d16y8. I'm not looking to go to the tracks or anything amazing. But i want to have more power just daily driving, and i dont want to spend 2 much money on it right now, so i think thats the route i will go.

My friend is seeling a Vortech Super charger for 2g's full system , but no FMIC....im looking into that 2.

But overall i think turbo is the cheaper of the 2 routes to get some power, and it will still be for the most part reliable.

Agreed?
Agreed, don't supacharge it for the same money or less, you will make more power, and have the ability to change the boost easily with a turbo.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:23 PM.