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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 04:51 AM
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Hey I am going to put headstuds in on my stock gsr should I pull the head or can I just pull one head bolt out and put my new ones in ? Please help me out looking to do this soon thanks
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 05:51 AM
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Are you putting them in because you think the head warped? or just being proactive?
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 11:34 AM
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all he asked was a simple question. which is easy to answer... If they are ARP headstuds you can put them in with out taking the head off. just pull the old ones out, drop the new stud in, use an allen key of the correct size, then screw it down nice and tight. once nice and tigh place washer around headstud, then place bolt on head stud, do this with all the other studs until complete, then torque them down in sequence provided by HONDA/ACURA the use ARP last torque spec which is 80ftlbs for the GSR ARP headstuds... not familiar with golden eagle or A.E.B studs... besure to use ARP Moly lube or you can substitue with motor oil, but the specs change... to Ammedien, he is probably changing them out for insurance so that his head doesnt lift.. I did mines this way and my stock GSR made 310whp...not saying yours will but ne who Goodluck my man....
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 12:51 PM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

Originally Posted by 94GSRMR
all he asked was a simple question. which is easy to answer... If they are ARP headstuds you can put them in with out taking the head off. just pull the old ones out, drop the new stud in, use an allen key of the correct size, then screw it down nice and tight. once nice and tigh place washer around headstud, then place bolt on head stud, do this with all the other studs until complete, then torque them down in sequence provided by HONDA/ACURA the use ARP last torque spec which is 80ftlbs for the GSR ARP headstuds... not familiar with golden eagle or A.E.B studs... besure to use ARP Moly lube or you can substitue with motor oil, but the specs change... to Ammedien, he is probably changing them out for insurance so that his head doesnt lift.. I did mines this way and my stock GSR made 310whp...not saying yours will but ne who Goodluck my man....
and he gave a simple response, the same one i would give as well. if the head lifted, just slamming in studs wont fix it if the head gasket has been compromised. relax before you guys jump down each others throats please.
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

So if you havent had headlift of any kind its safe to just put studs in without removing the head?
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 01:13 PM
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I definitely wouldnt replace them one by one on a boosted setup and when putting them in finger tighten them in as per ARP and they also say to retorque them after the motor heat cycles.I know people are going to tell you its not necessary butArp makes the studs and they say it should be done.
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 01:16 PM
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Yes! you need to lift the head!! first off its not as simple as you think, just taking out one bolt and threading in the stud one by one wont work, for one the bolts need to be loosened in a two step process! opening one bolt at a time will cause the head to warp, second the head gasket wont seal once its crimped then opened, so get a new head gasket while your at it, third the arp studs are to be threaded all the way down, when they say "finger tight" they mean thread it until its all the way down tight with the allen wrench or double nut technique but not applying any torque, then turn it back 1/4 of a turn, and all holes are to be cleaned and free of oil and debre. fourth you have to remove all the cam caps off anyway and it will make no sence that you did this much but you wont remove the head properly by just unbolting each bolt in the two step process thats neaded. You wanna play with your motor like its a toy not knowing what will happen then go ahead but screw it up and your gonna regret a whole lot! do it once and do it right the first time. and use the arp molly lube dont use oil, the lube is less than $5 on ebay if your studs were used and diddnt come with some.
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 01:16 PM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

Originally Posted by HarfordCTR
So if you havent had headlift of any kind its safe to just put studs in without removing the head?
no because the head gasket streaches.
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wunfstgsr
Yes! you need to lift the head!! first off its not as simple as you think, just taking out one bolt and threading in the stud one by one wont work, for one the bolts need to be loosened in a two step process! opening one bolt at a time will cause the head to warp, second the head gasket wont seal once its crimped then opened, so get a new head gasket while your at it, third the arp studs are to be threaded all the way down, when they say "finger tight" they mean thread it until its all the way down tight with the allen wrench or double nut technique but not applying any torque, then turn it back 1/4 of a turn, and all holes are to be cleaned and free of oil and debre. fourth you have to remove all the cam caps off anyway and it will make no sence that you did this much but you wont remove the head properly by just unbolting each bolt in the two step process thats neaded. You wanna play with your motor like its a toy not knowing what will happen then go ahead but screw it up and your gonna regret a whole lot! do it once and do it right the first time. and use the arp molly lube dont use oil, the lube is less than $5 on ebay if your studs were used and diddnt come with some.
in a sohc u can install headstuds without removing the cams. also in the two step process, u can still swap the bolts. ur head will still be lying on the gasket and dowels will still be holding it in place. i do recommend cleaning out the threads tho, which you can do with a stock headstud. just cut a groove into it like it was a tap. unfortunately you'd never get all the metal out of the threads even with the head off unless you were going to acid bath it which in turn means you're in for a full build and well this question wouldn't be asked. good luck to the op.
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

Remove the head its simple enough. your already removing all the timign components a few manifolds and your done. put a fresh HG in place and then install the studs are required by the manufacture
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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You can remove the head with the manifold, its easier.
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 05:59 AM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

Ok, thats what I thought Im just gonna do it the right way, head off and then a new gasket
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 08:09 AM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

The turbodiesel truck guys install theirs one at a time without pulling their heads
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 08:19 AM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

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The turbodiesel truck guys install theirs one at a time without pulling their heads
There is a difference between that application and a honda application. It is not a universal process.
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

Originally Posted by TheShodan
There is a difference between that application and a honda application. It is not a universal process.
Not trying to be a smart ***, but what is the difference? IS it cause theyre working with iron heads?
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 12:32 PM
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Default Re: putting head studs in need to pull head off ?

i have done it on isuzus also. still dont know if it is a preventative measure or if he thinks the bolts have streached.

yes i am saying this. cheap people deserve what they get. everyone is looking for the cheapest way out, and want to point the finger at whomever other than themselves when the crap hits the fan.

if you want to put the studs in 1 by 1, do it.

if the headgasket is compromised, again i am just asking if it is, you are beat and WILL be doing it again.

you can lead a horse to water but you cant punch it in the face.
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 12:36 PM
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im not saying it cant be done, its just that everyone is looking for the cheap way out. do it right be done with it.
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 03:11 PM
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the evo guys do it
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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will the p30 b16a2 gasket fit on the gsr?
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 05:19 PM
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all vtec gaskets are the same part number
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