call ERL Performance.

he normally keeps a lot of things in stock.

 

I dont even think they make manley rods for the k20


working on some cunningham rods atm

well see how that goes

 

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working on some cunningham rods atm

well see how that goes</TD></TR></TABLE>


I amn also checking Cunnigham and Carrillo for you sir. I am working on all available rods for you right now

 

Thank you sir let me know asap

I can get some cunninghams from Edo

but the carillos will be useful to compare the prices

 

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I can get some cunninghams from Edo

but the carillos will be useful to compare the prices</TD></TR></TABLE>

PM sent on the Carillo and Pauter pricing, awaiting word still on ETA for each though. They have the Eagles in stock right NOW BUT I have been told these are the incorrect length, dunno what Eagle did on the K20 rods but they are longer I do believe. WEIRD

 

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I am not trying to make this thread Pauter Vs Other rods.

But are you saying that Crower Rods are crap ?!

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crowers are crap... iv heard of so many breaking and have personally seen many break... i would never personally use them again... like stated above... its just mainstream crap... but then again... if u arent tryin to make a whole lot of power... they will be fine for u

 

He already has Eagle rods. He is wanting to step up to something that will hold more RPM and power.

 

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crowers are crap... iv heard of so many breaking and have personally seen many break... i would never personally use them again... like stated above... its just mainstream crap... but then again... if u arent tryin to make a whole lot of power... they will be fine for u</TD></TR></TABLE>

The breaking I saw on the Forum were all on all out HI HP race track cars , and only them knows why did the breaking happend because only them knows what they put into their motors . Unless you broke a crower rod your self you can`t say anything bad about them , I am tired of people say crap about stuff that they didn`t use and they judge them by what they heard and what they saw happend on other people motors !!! Many Crowerd motors that went bad on this forum it wasn`t of a rod falure , many setups blew because of something else going bad and when they open up the motor they will take pictures of the stuff broken and tell us what happend and that`s when people like you start this crap about Crower Rods failed !!! of course they will go bad , 80% of the motor will be broken when it blows up including the rods and no matter what brand are they !!! They will break along with many other high quality parts ! so does every part that gets broken when an engine blows up is considerd a bad product to use in your motor !?

The only one thing that I read about Crower rods falure is from Earl , he said that when they were in their race car they had to change the wirst pin (Top End) bushes after 10 runs !

Again I am not trying to comapare Pauter rods with Crower or any other rods out there ! Pauter is one of the best rods out there and I give them huge respect

Good Luck for you to find a set
I didn`t had any luck

 

Groden Rods are the ****.

Do some research on them. They are the rods used by Shep & his 8.5 second talon.

They are fairly priced too....

 

here is there website&gt;
http://www.grodenracingrods.com/index.htm

At Groden Racing Rods we have eliminated rod failure with space age strength aluminum that allows no temperature growth.

It is an awesome material that doesnt heat up under extreme conditions.

Used in many Nascar applications also secretly.

 

what does fairly priced mean? and are they available for k 20

 

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looks like i ordered just in time!

 

first of all... i would appreciate if u wouldnt attack me knowing nothing about me or my side of the story...

secondly when i state something... i state it from experience... not from some "breaking i saw on the forum" like u have...

i have used them before, and i dont like them... now if first hand experience isnt good enough for u... then so be it... i cant make everybody happy

im sorry... a crower did not personally break in my motor... one broke in my partners motor though... but i guess i cant talk about that since it didnt happen to me... right? and then i cant comment on customer motors ur saying... correct?

thanks for ur input... i dont think i would have known that other stuff can break other parts in the motor... so now i need to take apart every motor and post pics here and explain what happened?! oh... but of course... considering i havent done this... so i guess "people like me" start this "crap" u speak of... i guess i need to tell u that i am aware that when 1 thing goes... sometimes everything can go... trust me... i know this... and no... every part that breaks is not responsible... just the part that started it all...

nothing against earl... but i guess he is now the end all be all of if crowers are good or not... huh? in all honesty... if u need to change out bushings after 10 passes i would seriously question the quality of the rod... and their motors weren't making an "insane" amount of hp

u wanna know my opinion on crower products?

-rods
i have a bent one at my shop and one that snapped in half rendering an entire motor garbage... not to mention the countless others i have seen/heard of
-cams
i have a crower cam in about 5 pieces... absolute junk in my opinion
-valvesprings
i have a bunch of broken ones
-retainers
-yup... got a bunch of broken ones as well...

i will never again put another crower product in any of my motors and will def. never reccommend them to anyone else... to many people... crowers will be fine... maybe i got a bad batch, i dont know the reasoning... nor do i care... i know there stuff fails and i use other stuff which does not... what i use now works... so i dont need to change it

ps... next time u question my validity... try to do so in a more grown up manner instead of attacking... try simply asking... it might work a little bit better..
oh yea... and the crower that snapped in half was in a motor making around 5xx-600 in a street car

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1309871

started a new pix thread on a current Crower failure.

 

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started a new pix thread on a current Crower failure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bad link Earl! We can't edit your threads

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1309871

ok, this works..thanks

 

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I wasn`t attacking you , I was just giving my opinion about what you said , I have nothing against you ! we are all friends here that help each other . I am sorry if I sounded that I was attacking , please excuse me ! I am not english maybe that`s why I sounded like that

Before I bought mine I searched on the forum since where I live in Malta (Europe) there isn`t any much setups to look at since only one Crowerd motor I know off Localy ! And he is not running Hi HP , he is just running them in a 9500 Rpms 12.5 compression TypeR N/A engine ! he has no problems so far !

I know that there are people had problems with this rods and also I saw people running great setups at 600 WHP and greater and they are working fine on their setups that `s why I went with them !! Who knows maybe later down the road I will post pics of the mess that the crower made in my motor , Hopefully not

Again I am Sorry bigTom If I sounded that I was attacking you.

Pauter Rods are great rods !!! I think that when they be available I will buy a set and keep them just in case some thing happen with my crowers

Also now I am scared when I looked in Earls Topic that he started about Crower Rods !! My setup is going to see 500 WHP soon and I guess that`s when me is going to start to ask for trouble with these rods

Thanks
Marlon

 

fairly priced means...

For Whosales Accounts, they charge $700 for a set of 8. So they cost $350 for a set of 4.

Since they deal mostly with V8's, they will only sell in sets of 8 to dealers. I am sure to the regular customer, they will sell a set of 4. The rod sets of 4 retail for $800

They are seriously the best rods available. They are just not a big shop. It is just a father and son who make each rod by hand.

If you do research, you will find out that these rods are 30% stronger than any other rod on the market.

Here is a quote from their website:
Our patented rod-to-cap design makes our rods the strongest in the world. In fact, our rods are over 30 % stronger than any rod on the market! Composed of space age billet aluminum, our rods are road tested to stand up to tomorrow’s heat and pressure engine performance standards.

At Groden Racing Rods we have eliminated rod failure with space age strength aluminum that allows no temperature growth. Throughout our rigorous engineering, testing and re-testing phases, our rods have unsurpassed quality control and craftsmanship, and are guaranteed not to have any forging flaws or cause distortion to the bores.

Most people want to buy from a big company with a big name. I would rather call a small shop where the person who is actually making my rods answers the phone and is better suited to answer my questions than someone who was hired to just take down phone orders.

I have spoken with the people at Groden and they are very intelligent and knowledgeable.

Take a chance & test them. I know when my Civic HB is ready for rods, I know where to get them.

 

800 for 4, thats a big chance to take.

If they were a bit more fair in price I may but for my car build for 800 Id rather go with Pauter, or cunningham

 

you didnt read right.. Price is $700 wholesale for a set of 8. Not a set of 4

You can get a set of 4 from vendors for around $500 a set.

Which application do you need? I will get them for you and sell them to you if you are interested.

thanks,
Gabriel

 

Retail is around $800 but they sell for much less.

 

k20 application

 

If they are a small shop and in control, why would they force someone buying a 4 cylinder rod to take 8 of them? Wouldn't they just market them in groups of 4 like every other rod manufacturer that does rods for 4 bangers and V-8's? Does not make sense.

 

i was referring to the wholesale side of it. I am sure they sell sets of 4 to the end user. But as far as wholesale goes, thats how they work it or at least how they did 6 months ago when I called them to setup an account.

Give em a call. I am sure they will be more than happy to sell you a set of 4, I just dont know what price they would charge you.

Excellent rod though and for price and performance, they are #1 in my book.

They have been used in John Shepherd's 8.5 second talon for more than 2 years without failure. Hundreds of dyno runs & hundreds of 1/4 mile passes and putting down more than 1300+ horsepower.

Run what has been proven to work time & time again..

Check into them and do some research on them.. Excellent stuff!

 

is groden only making al rods or do they make steel billet rods