overheating question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 9, 2014 | 12:36 AM
  #1  
BIG LUIS's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
From: "Try stealing my car I drive a bait car" Long Beach CA
Default overheating question

my car usually over heats on hot days and am tired of driving with the heater on, I was going to upgrade to a spal fan but theres not enough room for a bigger fan. Am running a aftermarket half size radiator with a thin no name fan. any recommendations of radiator fan setups you guys use on you're turbo setups....thanks for the help
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 04:41 AM
  #2  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

What radiator are you running? Driving around the motor shouldn't get got and the fan shouldn't have to constantly run. Sounds like you need a spal or Zirgo fan and air ducting and blocking off other areas. Do you have anything heat wrapped ? What chassis and what's the turbo setup.
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 04:47 AM
  #3  
Vagitarian's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,371
Likes: 1
Default Re: overheating question

chinese fans just dont pull the cfm's no way around it. An SPAL will literally flow twice the air
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 09:57 AM
  #4  
$amGD3's Avatar
Swaggylicious
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,704
Likes: 1
From: Your mom
Default

Definitely get the spal 13"


Best $120 I've ever spent
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 11:50 AM
  #5  
BIG LUIS's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
From: "Try stealing my car I drive a bait car" Long Beach CA
Default Re: overheating question




Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
What radiator are you running? Driving around the motor shouldn't get got and the fan shouldn't have to constantly run. Sounds like you need a spal or Zirgo fan and air ducting and blocking off other areas. Do you have anything heat wrapped ? What chassis and what's the turbo setup.
Its an integra dc, heres pics of the setup. No heat wrap yet

Originally Posted by $amGD3
Definitely get the spal 13"


Best $120 I've ever spent
I was doing my research and the highest flowing spal fans are thicker and wont fit. Any pics of your setup? And model # of the fan used? thanks
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 12:20 PM
  #6  
boostlsveg's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 500
Likes: 0
From: carlisle, pa, usa
Default

U could possibly go with a pusher fan on the front of the rad.
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 12:33 PM
  #7  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

The problem is the radiator doesnt have enough surface area. you don't need a thicker core you need a wider core.

a decent fan might help but it's just a bandaid
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 03:23 PM
  #8  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

Want boost plenty people run the half cores without issues. I ran half ore in my car for long time without a problem. Main concern of mine is you've got a **** load of heat soak there on that setup. The wastegate and downpipe are creating a shitload of heat Iover there. Get that stuff wrapped for starters. Fan is to small get a spal or Zirgo 13" fan which will take up most of the radiator surface this will help with low speed and when not moving keep the engine cool and when coming from a boost run.

Second concern is you don't have the right side blocked off so most of the natural airflow is going around the radiator. Air will ALWAYS take the oath of least resistance. Get that blocked off as much as possible and the air will have no choice but to go through the radiator and will drastically reduce the heat soak effect and help keep the engine cooler
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 03:43 PM
  #9  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

yea to a point though, like you said in cramped setups it's just a bigger area to heat soak which takes longer to cool off. personally, i would go with a larger surface area before I went thicker. it's simply more efficient at heat transfer
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 03:58 PM
  #10  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

I agree but in this instance I do t think he needs to change the radiator at all just needs to set it all up properly
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 04:29 PM
  #11  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

Yea he doesn't. but if he does decide to change radiators he doesn't need a thicker core.

with a 3 core half rad by the time the air makes it through the 2nd core it's the same temp as the coolant basically, making that 3rd core pointless unless you're trying to increase system capacity.
Reply
Old May 9, 2014 | 05:12 PM
  #12  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

3 core is for capacity mainly IMO.
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 02:22 AM
  #13  
BIG LUIS's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
From: "Try stealing my car I drive a bait car" Long Beach CA
Default Re: overheating question

Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
Second concern is you don't have the right side blocked off so most of the natural airflow is going around the radiator. Air will ALWAYS take the oath of least resistance. Get that blocked off as much as possible and the air will have no choice but to go through the radiator and will drastically reduce the heat soak effect and help keep the engine cooler
Sorry for the dumb question blocked off with what?
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 02:28 AM
  #14  
BIG LUIS's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
From: "Try stealing my car I drive a bait car" Long Beach CA
Default Re: overheating question

Originally Posted by boostlsveg
U could possibly go with a pusher fan on the front of the rad.
That's what am leaning towards a spal 11"or 12" pusher a 13" will not fit. A spal puller won't clear the down pipe..
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 04:30 AM
  #15  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

Piece of sheet metal or aluminum or plastic panel. Something anything to force the air to the radiator instead of around it. Use you imagination you can cut some and get the radiator forward more to allow the 13" fan. I have a DC and had a simple setup at one time and I fit a larger fan. Just gotta make it happen. Or put a scirocco radiator in it
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 11:24 AM
  #16  
BIG LUIS's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
From: "Try stealing my car I drive a bait car" Long Beach CA
Default Re: overheating question

Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
Piece of sheet metal or aluminum or plastic panel. Something anything to force the air to the radiator instead of around it. Use you imagination you can cut some and get the radiator forward more to allow the 13" fan. I have a DC and had a simple setup at one time and I fit a larger fan. Just gotta make it happen. Or put a scirocco radiator in it
Cool Thanks... any picture's of that setup?
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 12:08 PM
  #17  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

Air likes to take the path of least resistance. so if you have a large open space next to the radiator the air will go around the radiator rather than through it.

you can take a sheet of almost any material and size it to occupy the gap next to the radiator. it will need to reach from the lower core support to the upper and from the edge of the radiator (overlapping the very edge of the core would be best) to the edge of the opening at the frame rail
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 01:31 PM
  #18  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

That's all I have for pictures but you get the idea.






Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 01:51 PM
  #19  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

how much did you have to trim off of the body to run the scirocco rad and a dual backdoor?

I'm debating between the scirocco rad, speedfactory's aluminum radiator, or an fcsrace radiator (I don't think it's big enough for a non drag car) along with a dual backdoor vertical core intercooler.
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 01:59 PM
  #20  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

Just enough to clear the inlet and outlet of the intercooler. Plenty of room on the sides of the radiator and don't spend all that money on that fancy ****. 150 bucks and this radiator works. I think it was even less than that. You'll need a surge tank on the head coolant outlet for beat results. I tried the inline fill neck and it worked but not the best.
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 02:23 PM
  #21  
BIG LUIS's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
From: "Try stealing my car I drive a bait car" Long Beach CA
Default Re: overheating question

thanks for the pics. bump for pics of any other daily driver radiator fan set ups
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 06:25 PM
  #22  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

Yea I'll be running a surge tank/constant bleed setup anyways. best way to do it IMO

a quality radiator, good fan, 180* thermostat, proper coolant. and a healthy water pump is all you need.
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 07:47 PM
  #23  
h22apwrd95's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 633
Likes: 0
From: des moines, IA, USA
Default Re: overheating question

Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
Piece of sheet metal or aluminum or plastic panel. Something anything to force the air to the radiator instead of around it. Use you imagination you can cut some and get the radiator forward more to allow the 13" fan. I have a DC and had a simple setup at one time and I fit a larger fan. Just gotta make it happen. Or put a scirocco radiator in it
Funny thing. Honda actually made a condenser cover for the EG chassis. At least it is the only one i have seen. 74149-SR3-000 It is a block off plate for non AC cars.
Reply
Old May 10, 2014 | 07:53 PM
  #24  
Turbo-LS's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 1
From: South, Texas
Default Re: overheating question

That'll work too.
Reply
Old May 11, 2014 | 06:08 AM
  #25  
wantboost's Avatar
Who is Mr Robot?
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,474
Likes: 10
From: ATL - Where the Pimps and Players dwell
Default Re: overheating question

There's not much overall difference in the core support area between eg, ek, and Integras. wonder if it would work.

wonder how much it costs lol
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:43 PM.