ion_four

Thought FI was the best place for this...

I've been on the road to boost for quite some time...I don't have too much money to spend, so I've been researching, hunting for deals for months and back in April I got (what I thought was) a good deal on a T-25 with some other stuff, because I want low boost, so quick spooling... I bought it on ebay and I paid for it, but never got it. This person is David Grayzanic of the Cleveland, OH area. He claimed to have had computer troubles for almost a month, kept promising to send it, then dropped off the face of the planet. I called him numerous times and even spoke to his mom, haha, and yet no turbo. I finally retrieved the money through my CC from paypal, but as far as I know he still has MY money, and I merely have paypal's money.
SO, after FINALLY getting that back, I found another on dsmtrader.com. I paid Gabriel Ruiz of Miami, FL for a T-25 turbo and after 3 weeks, I finally get the package...but, I open it and as far as I, CustomCockpits and my manager at work can tell, it is a T-3 turbo. It certainly isn't a DSM T-25. I think I am being completely dicked over here. I got in touch with him and he said that if I sent it back he'd send me a T-25, because his friend shipped it and he must've messed it up. HOWEVER, he now says that he won't send it back because he thinks I am ripping him off!!! Does anyone know either of these people? What kind of turbo is this? And mainly, what the hell should I do? As a sidenote...I payed out the *** for this, since it was supposed to be ported as well...don't ask the price

Cliffs: Bought turbo, ripped off, got money back from CC. Bought another T-25 and got a different one that ISN'T water-cooled, says GARRETT on it, has a T-3 flange and is generally shitty. What should I do?~!
This guy might end up being cool, but I really get the funny feeling that I'm bending over...

paulzy

iTrader: (1)

use the t3....I still think that's better than a t25

DigitalFusion

he measured the flange bolt holes, and they were 3.5x1.75" the same as the T3.. i still stay with my earlier advise and say to keep it

ion_four

The thing is that I payed out the *** for a T25 with low miles and a ported O2 housing, but I got a sketchy T3. I realize that everyone thinks that a T25 is sub-par, but I'm going to be boosting 5-7psi so there's no point in waiting for the T3 to spool.

sushibug

5-7 psi only? i give you a week before you want to up it some more

ion_four

haha, I know I would, but my engine is stock with 100k miles. it has perfect compression, but it's my only ride, so...no.

paulzy

iTrader: (1)

and you think a little dinky t3 would take forever to spool? expect to reach full boost around 250-3000rpms...you're gonna be well over that when you're racing anyways

ion_four

Alright, alright...I've decided to stick with it, I paid out the ***, but I've got it...one thing I'm wondering is did garrett make a t25 turbo? This obviously isn't from a DSM, but maybe it is a T25 turbo and it still uses the same flange as the T3?!

Anyone know what this is from, so I can get the gasket for it? (it appears to use one between the turbo and manny, you can see the pattern)...


[Modified by ion_four, 7:42 AM 7/4/2002]

paulzy

iTrader: (1)

yes garrett makes t25's...go to the ford dealer and buy gasket for the t-bird and compare

B20C5 Turbo

I am no expert on the 1,500+ different turbochargers offered by nearly as many self proclaimed turbo specialists... But, I do know that there are only a few manufacturers of turbine shafts, compressor wheels, and center housings. Most of the other specific trim and A/R stuff comes from aftermarket sources experimenting with those components (the other 1,490+ proclaimed specialists).

Naturally, each manufacturer will have some kind of part number or engineering designation for thier product... So, in a roundabout and informative way, I can answer your question with this:

Almost always, a turbocharger designated as a Tx, Txx, or T0x, will be based upon a Garrett platform. More than likely anything produced by Mitsubishi will be identified as a TD0x, 1xG, 1xx, etc...

Garrett does manufacture the T25 and T28 turbocharger (sharing the same inlet flange as the T3). I like to think of them as the T2.5 and T2.8 since they are both smaller than the T3[.0].

I hope that makes sense to you, as I have had a few on a holiday night.

Dee

T25/28 inlet flange is smaller than a T3 flange so you can't bolt a T25/28 to T3 mani (or vice versa) without an adapter.


[Modified by Dee, 6:50 AM 7/4/2002]

bretx0r

id poop my pants if i got a T3 instead of a T25

ion_four

SO, if I have a T3 manny and this bolts up, I have a T3 turbo? Whatever...it doesn't seem to have any significant shaft play, so if I got ripped off; I hope he takes it in the ***. Otherwise, it's cool. It does have an adjustable wastegate actuator arm which is kinda cool, too bad it's a little bent T-minus one week till boostin...

civictypenos

how many bolts hold the compressor housing to the backplate,if it is 4 then it is a t-25 from a 95 or newer dsm,if it is 6 then it is a t3 and t3's are much better than t-25's.

M.A.R.C.

also... you guys must remember. The T-25's that came on DSM's are DIFFERENT from a normal Garrett T-25. The turbine inlet flange is different. The DSM one uses a standard Mitsubishi TD05H flange. The mitsu flange is like a rectangle with a circular port, the regular garrett flanges are rectangle with a rectangular port.

BTW: sorry to hear u being ripped off man. I JUST sold my T-25. I'm in miami also. You shoulda eyed the classified forum. I sold mine for $100. I bought a T3 myself also.

SlowB16

Wont the t3 spool up pretty damn fast? It will be a little slower than the t25, but faster than the t3t4, which most people, inlcluding myslef use. I really think that you should keep the t3, if that is actually what you got. It has more potential, and the boost will be more powerful than the t25. And I GUARANTEE you will want to turn it up, so go with the t3!!!!

M.A.R.C.

Well it will spool up pretty decent and will flow more than the t25. It would spool faster than a T3/T4 depending on what size t3 vs what size t3/t4. Most smaller t3's (.42 and .48 a/r exh) will spool quick.

Pwerdr

You are hurting bro, a smaller turbo doesn't neccesarily mean fasster spool up! A properly sized T3/T4 will probably spool better. Get rid of that heap and get a good T3/T4. That piece of crap T25 ain't going to make horsepower, do you want to get spanked by a NA ITR? If you are going to do it, do it right. If you want a T25 that spools and want to get raped, buy a HKS GT, at least you will have something to brag about.

Eddie

ion_four

Well, thank you for that wonderful insight. I'll remember it when money starts flying out my ***. I think you're a little off in your assessment the T25, as well. I realize that alot of people think the T3/T4 is the end all-be all of turbos, but the T25 is suffient to make a d-series run in the mid/low 13's, which is faster than a (stock) ITR...the issue here, bro, is that I won't be running much boost, so the higher flow rate of the T3 won't be an issue. 5-7psi will by no means be pushing the limit of the turbo, but will give my stock internals a bit of a workout, though I realize they could take a fair bit more with proper tuning. I don't know why i even typed this, pointless.

M.A.R.C.

Def right... T-25 + D-series = yummy. Only reason I sold my T two five was because I rather stick with a more popular (for hondas anyway) T3 flange.

M.A.R.C.

is this the Gabriel in Miami?

http://www.gopartstrader.com/cgi-bin...26022c1b39040b

I was looking for a t-25 and i saw this.

ion_four

That is he.

I really don't know what's up with this turbo. He claimed it was from a DSM, which I am all but sure it is not. It has a T3 flange, but a .42 a/r compressor and .48 a/r exhaust, so it is some kind of T2x and it is not watercooled. It seems to be in pretty good shape, but has a couple hairline cracks in the exhaust housing and is a factory refurb from Garrett. So, Gaby is a bit of an *** in my book, though he was nice in correspondance till I received the turbo.

Does anyone know what vehicle this turbo is off of, from the pic above? I went to the Ford dealer looking for a gasket between it and the manny, but they didn't have one like it. Would some of that Mr.Gasket header collector material work to make one or is it going to be too hot? The sheets are white and made out of some carbon compound, or so I'm told...

ion_four

hmm, it does have 6 bolts...but the it has a .42 compressor and .48 turbine...isn't that smaller than a t3, or is that possible?

civictypenos

wheres the pic,i just get a red x,if it is .42 intake and .48 exhaust,6 bolts on the comp housing,then it sounds like my turbo,its from a 88 or so saab,trust me ,this thing ripps ***,im toatally satisfied with mine,that all a t25 is,as far as a/r .42 intake and .48 exhaust,i had a t-25 and mine sitting side by side,i was going to do one or the other,but the t-25 is like a insect comparred to the saab turbo,the blade is so much smaller,your lucky you didnt wind up with the t-25,if i could see the pic i could tell you exactly.

civictypenos

i just cut and paste the pic,it is from newer saab,i dont know the years but it is a late 80's model,from what ive been told it will bolt up to a t3 flange just like normal.