they wont be reliable if you like to go fast... 4th 5th gear pulls will KILL those sleeves.

i cracked a sleeve on my stock honda block @ 225hp/240tq with a very conservitive ignition timing, perfect a/f, ext...

in 4th and 5th gear the cylinder pressures are just too high for the stock sleeve to take reliably.

ive cracked em, i know guys who have cracked them at 300hp in 4th or 5th gear.

if you had any experience with stock block hondas you would know this...

 

that sucks bc my good friend here in NC (adspeed) is making over 400hp on stock sleeves. plenty of 20psi pulls on the highway. what block is that anyway?


Modified by SSBPGSR at 6:51 AM 5/18/2005

 

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Hint : He is running a garrett t3/60-1 turbo ( .63/70 A/R) with a large Intercooler.

He should be fine making 400-420 whp reliably with a stock sleeves as long as the tune is good. He could make more power but I'm suggesting a reliable set up.

I am running a t3/t4 turbo// 0.60 AR Compressor/ 0.63 Turbine with a .57 trim wheel on the compressor side on stock sleeves. I won't tune for more than 360-370 whp to insure that if I get a bad tank of gas nothing will happen and also to take into account the outside temp changes.

 

that looks like a non vtec single cam block, that had a vtec head put on it. no wonder your sleeves cracked wtih 350 hp...

 

as long as everycell has been tuned for correct timing and AFR it should not crack the sleeve. most people consider running the car on a dynojet as complete tuning whereas you're only tuning for WOT and not everything under the curve/vaccum/transioin etcc.

 

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that reply just reinforced the "you dont know what you're talking about" idea in my head.

if you read my sig it was a completly stock B18b. it was tuned with a wideband and TurboEDIT, on the street and on a dynograph.

i told you that they could last a long time, but its not reliable. and if you mash the throttle everyday (like i do) it simply will fail soon enough. i would replace the sleeves if i had the money on a high power honduh build, if not i wouldnt push it that hard.

the blockguard could help though, ive never used one so i couldnt comment on that.

the other engines that cracked sleeves were ls/vtecs and B16s

 

i guess his setup was a major BUSHINA

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Supertramp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that reply just reinforced the "you dont know what you're talking about" idea in my head.

if you read my sig it was a completly stock B18b. it was tuned with a wideband and TurboEDIT, on the street and on a dynograph.

i told you that they could last a long time, but its not reliable. and if you mash the throttle everyday (like i do) it simply will fail soon enough. i would replace the sleeves if i had the money on a high power honduh build, if not i wouldnt push it that hard.

the blockguard could help though, ive never used one so i couldnt comment on that.

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obviously he does know what hes doing if he did all this work himself. .did you build your motor? nope, it wasent built at all...perhaps you shouldnt speak

 

acually i build everything myself.

im assuming he is having shop(s) do all his work.

it being STOCK, doesnt mean it wasnt REBUILT. another know nothing know it all.

 

Even with a perfect tune under all load conditions using a dynopack the motor can blow up or crack a sleeve. there can be many variables, like a bad tank of gas, injector failure, etc... Yes dynotuning on the dynopack is probably one of the best ways to tune a car because u can put load on the car and tune for max hp and tq. and ignition timing but a motor makn that much power theres always factors like if u had it tuned on pump gas over here in cali, u are pretty much takn a risk cuz we only have 91 octane. if it were race gas that would be a different story. So theres no right or wrong answer to if a stock sleeve motor can handle that much power, i think, it all depends on the correct setup

 

lol . puttin some efi101 to use mike ?

i did a lil messin around with fuel maps on my all motor hatch. heheh lets just say its faster now all smiles baby.

 

stock sleves rock... if you cracked a sleve, im relly sorry to hear that, but i been on stock sleves for over a year now with 450+ whp... talk to your tunner bro, ive done exesive 4th n 5th gear pulls, and have not damaged anything.. only thing i ever blew up was my oil pump due to he ctr pulley.. adam can make easily over 450 whp, but he chooses not to cz hes gonna be raggin the hell out of his gisser up in ny this summer.. when he comes back, thats when we crank the boost up and go run some 11s..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by adSPEED &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock sleves rock... if you cracked a sleve, im relly sorry to hear that, but i been on stock sleves for over a year now with 450+ whp... talk to your tunner bro, ive done exesive 4th n 5th gear pulls, and have not damaged anything.. only thing i ever blew up was my oil pump due to he ctr pulley.. adam can make easily over 450 whp, but he chooses not to cz hes gonna be raggin the hell out of his gisser up in ny this summer.. when he comes back, thats when we crank the boost up and go run some 11s..</TD></TR></TABLE>

correction..WE Will be raggin the hell out of it
tomarrow

 

I'll make him beat it up here in NY.....

 

It really seems to be all about the tune when going turbo. My soon to be full race equipped EM1 will be on a basically stock motor. Adam and Darius will show me what its all about when I make it up to N.C. As I said before...I can't wait for a ride one day soon!

 

when is howard supposed to be tuning the car?

 

I dunno who is tuning it, but its getting tune right now as we speak. So far pushin out real nice#'s.

 

wow looks very nice, i will have to come check out your shop sometime when im visiting my family in charolette. Im always bored out of my mind for somthing to do while im down there.

 

it is tuned! it was tuned by howard at RLZ on a dynapack nicest guy EVER. had a code 10 ( itnake are temp sensor ) he gave me one for free to slap on there. code went away. proceeded to tune with crome. low boost (10psi) i made 320 WHP and 220ft/lb torque. high boost ( 13psi ) i made 358whp and 244ft/lb torque. even though i was yerning for more power, howard shut it down at that ( following my instrctions of NOT to listen to me if i said make more than 350..) this was all tuned on 93 onctane pump gas. all i can say it it pulls so hard lol. i have nothing but good things to say about the tuning session. everything went so smooth aside from me blowing a charge pipe off at 6psi (opps forgot to tighten one) all in all it was a good experience. for howard for RLZ for my new sweet number!

 

where the dyno graph at ?

crome kicks *** doesnt it ?

i just threw a map on my car this morning added full throttle launch and full throtlte shift.

 

looks good just get the Manifold coated and those pipes too! Inc the dump tube for the waste-gate! ASAP! you don't want that **** to get rusty!

 

how does cylinder pressure and transmission gear have anything to do with eachother?

[QUOTE=Supertramp]they wont be reliable if you like to go fast... 4th 5th gear pulls will KILL those sleeves.
in 4th and 5th gear the cylinder pressures are just too high for the stock sleeve to take reliably.

 

the only correlation is that it is under a higher cylinder pressure for a longer period of time.

 

god damn newbs.

it is under high pressure for a long time, but you also have to figure in LOAD on the engine.

in high gear its harder to turn the wheels, the gearing/wind resistance ext puts a greater load (stress) on the engine.


the cylinder pressures go way up when you have a load put on the engine.

 

Thats HOTNESS. Sorry i missed out on the tuning session i was a little busy with some other things.