I have a b16 SiR-II swap in my 94 del sol. Have a complete t3/t4 kit from turbonetics. 4-1 equal mani, huge intercooler (dont feel like getting exact measurements but said was good for 500~ hp), turbonetic evo wastegate, 2.25 dp. Exhaust a/r is .48 With a BB turbo, 2.25 dp and a high revving motor, a higher a/r can be tolerated, right? with minimal of lag.

Planning on rebuilding most of the car. Stock sleeves and race gas.

List of mods wanting to buy are as follows:

Exhaust - 3" perforated magnaflow
- Random Tech. High flow cat
1. Do i need a bigger downpipe than a 2.25? Maybe 2.5? I heard that 3"+ is good but turbos need a amount of backpressure to work properly and read that 2.25-2.5 is great for a weekend street sleeper.

Intake - Port and polished b16a mani. Since the car wont be reved much higher than 8400~, ive read that the b16 is hands down great. Even better than the ITR below the 7000~ rpm mark.
- Holley 68 mm TB

Cam Profile - OEM CTR cam shafts
- Adj. cam gears
- Some tough *** valve springs and lightweight retainers

Honing/ porting - Cyc. Head, IM, and the entire turbo /w mani.

Ignition - Bit colder plugs (not sure on the rating) MSD ignition 6al (any comments on ignition kits from msd?)

Hondata s200 /w boost engine managment with chipped p28 ecu.

8.1 Pistons and Eagle rods (again, comments on pistons/rods? what brand? ect)

As far as cooling is concerned, redline 20wt oil, maybe a fluidyne radiator, oil cooler (heard arent that great since oil needs to be a certain temp but a hyper active b16 revving the 8000's might make the oil a little to hot, comments please), water injection? NX intercooler kit? Tips on cooling too please.

Another question i have is UR underdrive pulleys. I heard your oil pump and pressure may fail using a aftermarket crank pulley. Also, I got a screaming stereo system and not sure if the pulley can handle the constant bass pounding, ect.

Also would like some input on fuel system. I believe 550 cc injectors are good for 400whp, if not might need 660 or so. Need a brand of fuel pump, regulator, fuel rail ect.

Any suggestions are greatly apperciated. Would like to hit 400whp with a SiR-II b16 t3/t4 build up.

Thanks

 

3in dp and exhaust. Stock head with GSR or ITR/CTR cams. Stock throttle body will work fine. Stock ignition with colder plugs. Go with 9:1 compression pistons, just pick a popular brand, they will all work. Stock cooling system will be fine. 10w30 synthetic oil will be fine. No need for any aftermarket pulley's. I would get something else besides hondata to save money (crome/uberdata/neptune). Go with some 750cc injectors to give yourself a little room. 400whp shouldn't be much of a problem.

 

SLEEVE THE BLOCK. Think about the process involved to sleeve a motor. Its the hardest thing to go back and do imo. I wouldnt go with such a low c/r piston. I wouldnt port the head unless your cash flow is unlimited. Stock head has been seen flowing over 600whp. Go with a set of GSR cams unless you can afford a set of ITR/CTR cams. 3" downpipe is going to be a big difference. Ive seen a 80whp gain from a more free flowing setup.

Im done typing for now... search around on the FI forums and youll see what everyone is running as far as setups. Good luck!

 

Absolutely no reason to sleeve the block for his power goals. Save your $1,000 for something else. Tune the car well and you will be fine on stock sleeves.

 

8.0-8.5:1 works great with a street car...so much more room for error and the same performance of a 9.5-+ engine

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beerbongskickass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Absolutely no reason to sleeve the block for his power goals. Save your $1,000 for something else. Tune the car well and you will be fine on stock sleeves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im a stock sleeve believer as well (410whp on stock sleeves) but I know its just a matter of time... And you know damn well once he feels boost hes going to want more then 400whp... It just keeps getting bigger and bigger after each dose lol. Just save yourself the hassle and do it now so there aren't any limits!

 

No reason for aftermarket sleeves. Going for 400whp street sleeper.

Thanks for the comments on what i planed my setup on.

You guys have tons more experience than me and I was taking my best stab at 400whp, but it seems i dont need some of the things mentioned to safely hit my goal. Save me some cash rather than just throwing everything i can think of at it.

How much power loss are we looking at from 9.1 - 8.1 c/r pists? Is 9.1 safe with racing rods and stock sleeves and high octaine gas at 15+/- psi?

 

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You're looking at about 3-4% change in horsepower for every full point in compression.

I'm running 9.8:1 compression in my new motor, and I run 16 psi on 93 octane pump gas on the street. This isn't a big block chevy with iron heads, we're talking about an ultra efficient all aluminum 4V honda here. 9:1 compression or even higher is fine for the street.

 

you need to sleeve the block.
Most "believers of stock sleeves" only believe in that theory due to the fact that they can't afford sleeving a block.
Get it done the right way, sleeve it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM00SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need to sleeve the block.
Most "believers of stock sleeves" only believe in that theory due to the fact that they can't afford sleeving a block.
Get it done the right way, sleeve it.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Jeff Evans is a big advocator of stock sleeves. Go look at how much he charges per tune and how booked his tuning schedule is. I don't think he reccomends stock sleeves becuase he's poor.

 

and im sure if you told jeff evans you want a 400hp daily driver, he'll tell you sleeves for safety reasons. just because he built 2 "Pinks" cars on stock sleeves, doesnt mean everybody in the world should use stock sleeves. if you got the money definately get it done, put it in the budget.

 

400hp is well within the limit of stock sleeves.. the big thing is... are you going to want more power eventually.. if you plan on running more power down the line.. sleeve it now because there really is no upgrade that is more inconvienient then sleeves..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM00SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need to sleeve the block.
Most "believers of stock sleeves" only believe in that theory due to the fact that they can't afford sleeving a block.
Get it done the right way, sleeve it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, but your wrong. It's not because we can't afford to sleeve the block, it's because were not dumb enough to waist $1,000 on sleeves when you don't need it. If your car is a full on high horsepower drag car that only see's the track, then I could justify aftermarket sleeves, but not your average street/strip car that only see's high boost maybe once a month.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bluemax189 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and im sure if you told jeff evans you want a 400hp daily driver, he'll tell you sleeves for safety reasons. just because he built 2 "Pinks" cars on stock sleeves, doesnt mean everybody in the world should use stock sleeves. if you got the money definately get it done, put it in the budget.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are also wrong. Besides Jeff Evans there are a **** load of people making a lot of horsepower on stock sleeves, just search around man. People run 300-350whp all the time on stock bottom ends, with a good tune 400whp is nothing on a built motor with stock sleeves.

 

There are alot of people that are successful on stock sleeves. (Me being one of them.)

The ONLY reason I point people in the direction of sleeving the block is because of the addiction to boost and the fact its one of the more difficult upgrades to do once the motor is all finished/installed.

I would still sleeve it if I were you though. You've rattled off a list of mods you want to do to the motor that are important but none more important then sleeves.

Why not just sleeve the motor, buy rods and pistons, and the turbo kit?

I didnt go all the way through your list of mods, but I bet all the mods you listed add up to or close to the price of a sleeved block. Not all sleeved motors are said and done at 1k either. Ive seen them for under $850 *NEW*.

 

Yeah I totoally get what your saying. I was looking into aftermarket sleeves, but just couldn't justify that much money when it seems like there is another 500+whp honda on stock sleeves popping up every other day. I'm just a cheap bastard...

 

haha ive noticed that i dont think you have ever made a post that didnt have something to do with saving money

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha ive noticed that i dont think you have ever made a post that didnt have something to do with saving money </TD></TR></TABLE>

Cars are freaking expensive! I don't want to spend all my hard earned money on cars. I make plenty of money, but I need to start thinking about saving for the future (house, kids college even though I don't have any, retirement money, etc..).

I would rather waste my extra money away on gambling and beer anyways.

 

Beer, bongs, bitches, and blow off valves.

 

I would have to say again it all depends on how u drive the car first off are you going to be constantly racing one because I also seen some 500 horse power cars last along time on stock honda sleeves and ive seen more f**k with less power with sleeves, so its kinda hard to say and 400 horse power is not the limit on stock honda sleeves I wont say its a lie but for some years Ive seen different. here goes forged pistons and rods ,ported head,bigger valves springs and retainers a etter intake manifold like edlebrock or something in that nature,bigger throttle body a definite high boost head gasket arp headstud kit,fuel rail , 900cc injectors maybe more high flow fuel pump,braided fuellines, a sik a** manifold maybe gt35rturbo something that can support that kinda power go three inch d.p ,exhaust no high flow cat dont waste ur time and money get a 3 inch testpipe. good fuel management like neptune is one hondata uberdata,crome are all good and a kika** tuner and ur set.

 

i agree not to get sleeves. 400 is alot of power and stock sleeves has seen alot more so there IS room to grow as long as its got a good tuner to back it up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dornon13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i agree not to get sleeves. 400 is alot of power and stock sleeves has seen alot more so there IS room to grow as long as its got a good tuner to back it up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahaha, so by how good your tuner is will determine whether or not u want sleeves. hahaha. i say just go ahead and get it. GO ALL OUT! ppl love the sleeve'd gangstas.

i would say your realistic goal is beyond 400. but it's all good in the hood. move those 550's to 750's and you'll be good to go.

 

everybody always wants more power down the road. sleeve it now so that when you decide you do want more power you dont have to redo everything all over again.

im a big fan of overbuilding things...... and 99% of this websight is about underbuilding and pushing the limits of things....which is fine sometimes, given certain circumstances...... remember, its always 2x + as expensive if you half *** it the first time.

a lot of people say "i cant affored to sleeve it" it makes me want to ask them if they can affored to buy a whole new motor and build it a 2nd time instead if something does go wrong? something as simple as a vaccume line getting cut or damaged could be enough to cause complete engine failure, which could make the entire motor turn into a paperweight.

 

first thing are you plan on building a all drag car and 500 hp is a hell of alot of power on a fwd drive honda more than you will need to run tens for damn sure see I dont just play with hondas recently Ive been messin whit the wrx stis,evos and all those nice family cars lolz love em. and you are not going to want to much more power Im telling you a 400 horse power fwd honda feels a hella lot faster than a awd evo experience taught me that , and yes it is all in the tuning that matters more than alot of street honda heads think it does like I said ive seen hondas with sleeves and less power f**k up so what r u saying you can put all the good sh** in the world in your block even with less than 500 horse power not tune you will get the meltdown . He is fine at is goal on stock sleeves just because you get sleeves dont mean ur safe that has not been proven 80%

I forgot shout to my fellow crew team ikonz aka a.b.c yall kno who this is I have a suprise for everyone soon love yall lolz

 

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I dunno about that. I think just about every turbo setup on here has a turbo too big for the power goals lol...

 

that post was so confusing i think it lit my brain on fire.


haha yea everybody oversizes their turbo for sure....i personally prefer a little lag on my street cars, and being able to make the power i want with out insane amounts of boost. i feel i got the most out of my .63 T3 GT35R though