at the woodburn NHRA import race..... 7 out of the 9 HotRod class cars were running on alcohol.....during the whole weekend there was only 1 car that had a engine related failure .........that car was running on GAS ......

i dont understand why everyone thinks Methanol is such an exotic fuel......and that it is harder on motors.......

you see JoJo earlier this year when he was running on gas.......he was burning up his motor allmost every race.......but you never saw Venom or Kenny tran burning up any motors......

rumor has it JoJO made 680@ the wheels on ONLY 20 PSI of boost on methanol........on gas you would have to run upto or over 30+ PSI to get the same power.......

take it or leave it Alcohol is here to stay

my .02 cents

 

actually i think ethanol isthe way to go and not methanol.. the ethanol is so much cleaner and easier to use. Ask teh venom guys. It kinda sucks that they are banning it next year.

 

Any clean and efficient ways of developing an injection system of alky on a street car? Like under "high boost" conditions... sort of like a shot of nawz...

Is meth ok on engine sensors/components? Are you able to run more timing on it? Can it be mixed with regular gasoline?

 

alcohol is hell on the oiling system..........your oil ends up looking like chocolate milk real fast.......like every 2-3 passes.......

 

How would fuel interfere with oil?

 

If methanol is so great, why don't they make nhra pro stock use it? But I have to agree with you that meth is here to stay. What you don't know is how many motors have been destoyed on the dyno by Vennom, Lisa, JoJo and Kenny. I've heard lots of them. Just because everyone is using it to be competitive, doesn't mean it is right for a stock chassis class.

 

the reson behind most of the meth setups blowing up is causing by bad oiling systems.

Kenny is putting some outrageous numbers but same thing like everyone you can only go as fast as your car can hook.


[Modified by b18bturbo, 5:06 PM 8/27/2002]

 

I was told a little different. I heard that the spark was going out in a cylinder and then the cylinder was hydraulicing. I have blown an engine on alky but that was a V-8 many moons ago.

 

Unless they make custom S shaped crower rods for Lisa Kubo, I would say that would be a problem with Alchohol. I will agree that you can make more power with it, but its not because of the fuel its self...its because of extra boost and compresion that can be run because of it. Im not against it from the stand point of even the parts breakage...its just taking all the fans away from the sport. They can not relate to this type of car when theres runs on gas. I will make this claim again...We will be the first car to go over 180mph if or when we make the switch to it.

 

Not alot of people acutally know how to build and tune a motor for alkie. Everyone was blowing motors left and right trying to get alky down. There is a learning curve with alky setups, everyone is doing different things tilll they can master it.


[Modified by ekb18c, 5:32 AM 8/28/2002]

 

well ekb18c you do have a point but thats how things progress in the sport . If it wasnt for the pioneers out there we would still all be on pump gas , running hx rims and 8:5:1 compression motors. Thanks to many pioneers out there we dont have to . Some in the sport have found the key some dont have the slightest clue but can afford it . Im no expert as Im new to the game myself but you gotta keep plugging away till you make that one run that will set you apart from the crowd .
If its gonna take a couple blown head gaskets rings-knock on wood maybe something worst to find out well just think where the sports gonna be five years down the road . But I think Meth is here to stay .-PDang

 

I'm guessing Earl has some experience running Alky...eh eh?

Suprdave

 

I would think so..hehe
He sure isnt no kid like us but has been around the game longer than most of you have been alive.

art

 

Thanks Art...I think?

 

the reason NHRA pro stock cars dont run Methanol is because you have to inject it (electronic or mechanical ) and pro stock cars use carbuerators .......and there aint anything stock about a pro stock car.........they are Tube frames for gods sake..............so how can you compaire them to a FWD unibody.....

a Unibody Honda is STILL a honda no matter whats in the fuel cell

 

Last time I checked a carb. did inject fuel manually. I guess you dont pay attention to Pro stock very much. My dad will get this saying right, but there moto was race it on sunday, drive it on monday. Sounds like that moto might also fit into a quick class car. I think you can compare pro stock to hotrod class. Its for the stock chassis, or street type cars. Thats what the pro stock cars are to the big guys. The top fuel cars are like the outlaw modified type class cars. The tube frame hondas where I think they should be allowed to run this type of fuel. I mean, pro stock cars have to have body lines simular to a stock type car. These rants are not because its unfair because to be honest...I can name a few cars that actually have gone slower after making the switch. Making power is not all there is to going fast so I could care less if someone makes 1500hp and I have 100...if they cant use it, who cares. To me it takes the fun of a stock chassis class where the fans cant relate........M to I to K to E

 

My point exactly. They are race cars so why limit them to carbs and gas. Let them run injection and alcohol if it's so easy and good. Pro stock racing is now like watching a bracket race with no breakouts. All qualifiers run within .003 of each other. At least we would see interesting races like in top fueal or funny car.
Why force alky down a stock unibody chassis racer's throat. Keep it for the tube frame cars. Give the little guy a chance against the big guy in Quick. Never will happen against alky cars.

 

and thus why the little guy will never be able to race competitively against big hp sponsor cars. At least not anymore...

where is the street class for FWD's?!?!!

 

Yeah its all about the money and who has it and who doesnt...

 

"Can you smeeeelllll what the Viren is cookin?"
He (and I) speak from experience. It takes cubic $$ to stay competitive. Forget the free parts. Money is king

 

Phone call to mobile

yes.. I noticed at all your mobile stations the best gasoline you can get is 92 octane... is there any chance you can install a methanol pump at a few locations I can get to on my way to work... ?

 

gary gardella and kenny tran prolly have 1/4 the budget of venom or jojo.........they seem to be doin just fine.........

it doesnt take That much to make the car fast.........but it takes an ***-ton of cash to hit all the races...........IMO

its even harder if your from Seattle

 

Gary maybe, but kenny has a big oil deal like Jojo. Kenny is gonna be racing full time and have someone run his shop now. Gary is fast on a small budget, but he still gets more than us..hehe

 

Sniff, Sniiff... It's like a failed AA convention in here.... damn alkys.... heh

 

Deals are not as sweet as you think I happen to know what jojos deal is and I have heard what garys deals are. Im not sure vennom has heard the word budget. I think thats dope though. Its not there fault that this type of fuel is allowed. It is leagal so more power to them if they want to run it. Im just looking at it from a sponsors point of view. I just dont want to see the honda market get blown out of touch. Ohhhhh...I was driving home today and I went to the gas station. Droped a couple of mickeys in the car because I know the pros run alchohol right? Now my car wont start and Im confused...I heard it was better to run then gas? WTF???