I GOT SOME MANLEY H BEAMS and the instructions say to torque to 65 foot pounds with 30 weight and to not use moly lube. does this sound right, my first time with manley products but they are arp 2000 3/8 rod bolts.

 

Thats sounds about right but I am not 100% certain. Also they recommend that you stretch your rod bolts 0.0058-0.0062

 

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That's for the Turbo Tuffs.... does that still apply to the H beam eagle type rods?

 

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Thats a good question. I should have been more specific but I assume if they are using the same style bolts it would still apply.

 

yeah im sure they use the same bolts. I might just call them on monday.

 

you said them came with directions so whats holding you back? If it says 65 then thats what it is! are you unsure because you don't have the directions?

 

I wouldnt rely on just a torque wrench. Its very important to use a rod bolt stretch gauge. Those bolts are whats going to keep your bottom end together. Over stretching rod bolts are not a good thing especially when your trying to make power.

 

ive never had an issue with rod bolts using a torque wrench on any of my motors.


the directions say, "torque spec for final assembly at Manley" 65 ft pounds

then it says, reccommended rod bolt torque range, 60-80 ft pounds"

it also says, DO NOT USE MOLY LUBE, why would manley reccomend not using moly lube when ARP is SO **** about people using it. These same bolts torque to 42 ft pounds on an eagle rod with moly lube.

im kinda held back on this anyway till monday because its my first time dealing with these god damn spiral locks that come with arias and im not about to spend 5 hours to put them in when i can spend minimal money to have a professional atleast do that crap. LOL. +1 for c clips on JE and CP pistons.

 

I have those rods and I did 45 ft lbs with moly lube what you have sounds wrong . that what people go to on their headstuds....not rod bolts

 

im gonna call them and confront them, 45 with lube is what i WAS going go do.

 

uhh ok i just got of the phone with them and they stated 65 foot pounds with motor oil is how they rate it.

and then i told him about using arp2000 on other rods with moly at 42-25 foot pounds he said
"if you know its comparable then you can try that, at your risk"

so what the expletive. how are they rated with the TURBO TUFF rods cuase im sure they use the same bolts????

 

My advice would be to get a rod bolt stretch gauge and do it the proper way. That way there is no guessing. Stretch the bolt 0.0058-0.0062 and be done. You can even call ARP and ask them what you should do since its there bolt.

 

Well i dont have a stretch gauge and ive never had an issue with rod bolts in the past going by the recommended specs by the rod maker.
I talked to a tech at arp just now and he said they just make the bolts for the companies and that the ones that eagle has and the one that manley has are pretty much manufactured to their respective specs and its up to the rod manufacturer to do the testing to come up with the best specs during installation and he wouldnt give me a recommendation because of that. I asked him about the 65 pound ft with 30wt and he didnt sound alarmed by it but simply said that they at ARP only use the moly lube so he couldnt say much more on that.


Modified by SPOOLINmatt at 8:37 AM 4/3/2007

 

on my manley turbo tough rods, the spec says to torque it down to 45 ft-lbs i believe. i asked Earl (rip) and he stated 45 ft-lbs as well

 

is that with moly lube though on those? My Manleys came with a spec sheet and that spec sheet said 65 foot pounds on the arp 2000 3/8 version with 30 wt, i called manley and confirmed so it better be right.

 

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Amen.

A rod bolt stretch gauge is $65 bucks from Jegs.

A new bottom end or motor for that matter is a lot more.

Sleep well at night, get the gauge.

This thread (as with many others on the web) reminds me of this quote.

"People don't the truth... they want reassurance."

 

well maybe ill buy one someday but so far i guess i and a **** load of others have been lucky.

 

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I've never messed with Manley, but the Crowers were similar if I recall. They use ARP bolts as well. I have 17K on my bottom end. I didn't use a stretch bolt indicator, just a torque wrench.

Those spiral locks go in easy with a small screw driver. Just slowly work the spiral in with the head of a flat screw driver and bammo..spiral locks in
I used those on my JE (SRP) pistons.

 

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I've never messed with Manley, but the Crowers were similar if I recall. They use ARP bolts as well. I have 17K on my bottom end. I didn't use a stretch bolt indicator, just a torque wrench.

Those spiral locks go in easy with a small screw driver. Just slowly work the spiral in with the head of a flat screw driver and bammo..spiral locks in
I used those on my JE (SRP) pistons.

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i got so frustrated with it, my machine shop put them in for free so im fine now, block assembled.