A friend of mine has a 96 D16Y8 turbo, Greddy kit running about 12 pounds with Hondata S200 for management. It was first tuned over three years ago by a local shop that didn't know a whole lot about partial-throttle tuning, and now my buddy wants me to clean up the air/fuel and ignition tables so that the car isn't such a sow when you're not all the way on the throttle.

The issue is that I do not have access to the B/D/H-series Hondata tuning program. I have the K-manage software, and have used it to tune newer Hondas and Acuras, but I do not have access to the S200 protocol as I have never purchased a Hondata unit for those cars on my own. My question is this:

Is it possible to use Crome or Uberdata to make changes to an S200 unit and if so how? If not, what are my options as far as securing the S200 software necessary to get things to work?

Thanks, fellas.

 

bump for interest

 

Why doesn't he just sell the hondata and have you fully tune it with crome or uberdata?

 

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Because I don't have a chip burner, the car doesn't have a wideband Oxygen sensor and the Hondata S200 is already fully integrated and working at 100%. Unless you're going to answer some of my initial questions, assume that I have thought of and dismissed all other possibilities - such as selling things and starting from scratch

Also, we want this done very soon and for free if possible. Buying and selling **** is annoying when you're a simple program away from making an 80% car 99.9%

 

I see you got back your 1%.

Anyway, no. CROME or Uberdata can not make any changes to the hondata bin. CROME and Uberdata modify stock code. Hondata made their own from scratch mostly.

The only way to tune the S200 is with the ROM Editor software and you would still need a burner.

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I see you got back your 1%.

Anyway, no. CROME or Uberdata can not make any changes to the hondata bin. CROME and Uberdata modify stock code. Hondata made their own from scratch mostly.

The only way to tune the S200 is with the ROM Editor software and you would still need a burner.

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Correct.

 

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Because I don't have a chip burner, the car doesn't have a wideband Oxygen sensor and the Hondata S200 is already fully integrated and working at 100%. Unless you're going to answer some of my initial questions, assume that I have thought of and dismissed all other possibilities - such as selling things and starting from scratch

Also, we want this done very soon and for free if possible. Buying and selling **** is annoying when you're a simple program away from making an 80% car 99.9% </TD></TR></TABLE>

Crazy idea here... call up Hondata.

And if you don't have a wideband do you just plan on tuning idle and high vac. with the stock narrowband? Might as well pick up an Innovate LC-1 for $200 and do it the right way.

 

how the hell can you even think to tune a car wtihout a chip burner? not to mention you don't have a wideband, but i just don't see how you can even get the map off the chip in the first place without a chip burner????

basicly, you can't do anything to the car. the guy needs to get it re-tuned.

 

The answer is, yes you can make a handler so Crome can edit a hondata rom. Datalogging would be more work(I think at least) and it would be pretty hacked up, but it would work. Honestly though, no one is going to do it and post it on the interweb simply because its probably illegal on some level. You'd probably have to privately do it and keep it hush hush.

The real solution is retune the car with Crome/Uberdata and sell the S200.

 

I was unaware that the D/B series Hondata boxes don't come with wideband and datalogging features built in like the K-Pro I'm used to. I've never tuned D/B-series Hondata, just Uber/Crome via Zeitronix wideband, so it was never an issue. I guess I'm also used to people getting wideband capabilities when they move to forced induction because of situations like these that, otherwise, put you at the mercy of local shops.

Well. I guess I'll tell him to either find a place that will let me sit down with their equipment and remap his **** (unlikely ) or get ahold of the Hondata software and a real wideband.

Thanks for the help, guys. I really appreciate it.

 

Your K-pro didnt come with a wideband, your car did.

 

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The K-Pro is integrated into the K-series ECU and reads the stock wideband Oxygen sensor. The capability was part of the K-pro ECU, the physical wideband sensor was stock equipment.

Semantically, you are correct. Realistically, you're just being a jackass

 

If the ECU has been chipped then you can use another tuning program to tune and "burn" a chip.

This will though basically make the hondata blue box useless, it will blink all the time like something is wrong because it does not find the hondata program on the chip.

Bascially you are just running a "burnt" chip in your ecu, it just happens to be tuned for boost.

When I went to Central Florida Turbo, they did this to my car since they do not have Hondata tuning software. They did not tell me about it so I was nervous that my hondata was blinking. When I found out, I took it too a HONDATA tuner and had it done right!!

 

Hey Mike, is this Prestons Civic you're talking about? If so, I hate to break it to you but you might as well take it SlowmotionMotorsports and have it tuned.