LS rods in a d16 turbo?
08-22-2002, 06:56 PM
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LS rods in a d16 turbo?
I am having trouble getting a machine shop to make the bushing to accept the d16 wrist pin. I need help in finding a place, and or someone who has done this? what does it cost? do i have to notch the block to let the rods fit? this was all in a magazine a while ago but i lost the issue.
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PLEASE HELP!
08-22-2002, 07:29 PM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (turbo sol)
No, you don't have to notch the block to fit the LS rods...
Get a machine shop to mill the big end so it has the same width as your D16 rod (LS rods are too wide to fit on the D16 crank)..my machine shop quoted $35 for that. And use D16 bearings.
As for the bushings, I've got Brian Crower doing mine for $10/ea + shipping, including the custom-made bushings and labor. Just EMail or call Crower up, Brian is a very nice guy.
I'm taking my LS rods to the machine shop tomorrow, and then off to Brian they go....i'll post pics of everything when it is all said and done
Get a machine shop to mill the big end so it has the same width as your D16 rod (LS rods are too wide to fit on the D16 crank)..my machine shop quoted $35 for that. And use D16 bearings.
As for the bushings, I've got Brian Crower doing mine for $10/ea + shipping, including the custom-made bushings and labor. Just EMail or call Crower up, Brian is a very nice guy.
I'm taking my LS rods to the machine shop tomorrow, and then off to Brian they go....i'll post pics of everything when it is all said and done
08-22-2002, 07:43 PM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (00civicvtec)
do you have a measurement for the thickness of the rods? I am glad you replyed no one seems to know about this except you!
08-22-2002, 08:03 PM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (turbo sol)
As soon as I get my stuff back from the machine shop I will post side-by-side pics comparing the LS rod vs. the D16 rod.....I'll tell you right now, LS rods make you laugh at the "toothpick" D16 rods 
08-22-2002, 08:11 PM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (00civicvtec)
Here are some LS pistons and rods (I didn't take the picture):
I'm not sure if you know what D16 rods look like or not, but they are pretty tiny...especially compared to these.
I'm not sure if you know what D16 rods look like or not, but they are pretty tiny...especially compared to these.
08-23-2002, 05:21 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (jdblack1)
don't look that much bigger than a D rod. Is it really a worthwile job?
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08-23-2002, 05:23 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (jdblack1)
I already have some LS pistons and rods so i know how big they are i have been sitting on this project for too long now i want to run 10 psi reliably maybe 12.
as to jdblack1 i also have a broken d16 rod from a crazy friend that tried to run a 200 shot (he had an extra motor and thought it would be fun)
The d16 rod fits inside the the 2 raised edges of teh LS rod. (granted i only have the bottom half of the rod. but i assure you for the price of the rods and machining, it is a must for any SOHC boosting civic/crx
[Modified by turbo sol, 2:27 PM 8/23/2002]
as to jdblack1 i also have a broken d16 rod from a crazy friend that tried to run a 200 shot (he had an extra motor and thought it would be fun)
The d16 rod fits inside the the 2 raised edges of teh LS rod. (granted i only have the bottom half of the rod. but i assure you for the price of the rods and machining, it is a must for any SOHC boosting civic/crx
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08-23-2002, 05:27 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (jdblack1)
don't look that much bigger than a D rod. Is it really a worthwile job?
a good example would be look at you thump an compare it to your pinky... it sota looks like that... about the same lenght bit theres a definit difference in the gurthness.
the D16 rods can take about 200hp max, and the LS rods i have seen as high as 270 hp at 12psi. honda LS rods
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08-23-2002, 05:47 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (DSF)
http://www.theoldone.com/articles/xmas/
Scroll down the page. Not the best pics, but gives you an idea.
Scroll down the page. Not the best pics, but gives you an idea.
08-23-2002, 07:11 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (jdblack1)
don't look that much bigger than a D rod. Is it really a worthwile job?
I just got back from the machine shop, the difference in big-end width is 0.035", so they are milling that much from the sides of the rod (1/2 of that from each side), pressing in some ARP rod bolts, reconditioning the rods, then off to Brian (Crower) for custom-made bushings, and press-fitting on my pistons.
The LS rods are good for 350-375hp+, try that with a D16 rod...
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08-23-2002, 07:18 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (00civicvtec)
The LS rods are good for 350-375hp+, try that with a D16 rod...
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gaaaaawwwd damn thats crazy for stoke LS rods. I never ever would of thought it could handle that much power and here I am thinking about which rods to buy for my b20.
B20 and LS rods are the same right?
Can they handle reving to like 8.5k? since they can handle over 15psi of boost!
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gaaaaawwwd damn thats crazy for stoke LS rods. I never ever would of thought it could handle that much power and here I am thinking about which rods to buy for my b20.
B20 and LS rods are the same right?
Can they handle reving to like 8.5k? since they can handle over 15psi of boost!
08-23-2002, 07:35 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (Charlie)
The LS rods are good for 350-375hp+, try that with a D16 rod...
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gaaaaawwwd damn thats crazy for stoke LS rods. I never ever would of thought it could handle that much power and here I am thinking about which rods to buy for my b20.
B20 and LS rods are the same right?
Can they handle reving to like 8.5k? since they can handle over 15psi of boost!
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gaaaaawwwd damn thats crazy for stoke LS rods. I never ever would of thought it could handle that much power and here I am thinking about which rods to buy for my b20.
B20 and LS rods are the same right?
Can they handle reving to like 8.5k? since they can handle over 15psi of boost!
Personally I wouldn't be revving a stock b18/b20 motor past 8k due to the crappy rod to stroke ratio...I'd be worried about throwing a piston through the cylinder wall..
08-23-2002, 07:48 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (00civicvtec)
what do you mean recondtioned? i now what that word means but what is that mean is done with the rod and APR rod bolts?
08-23-2002, 08:07 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (Charlie)
When the ARP rod bolts are pressed in and torqued down, they hold everything together with a much greater force than the stock rod bolts (duh), so it actually distorts the bore of the rod....the machine shop then reconditions the rod to correct this.
08-23-2002, 08:34 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (MyWhiteCivic)
i went to the machine shop today and they quoted me 60-75 for removing apx 20 thousandths off each side of the rods.
and as far as getting the wrist pin bushed they said dont even try. That it would be better to open the pistons wrist pin whole to accept the LS wrist pin.
Do you know how Brian at crower is goign about making the bushing? and are you suppling him with your pistons at the same time to press everythign together?
I know you said you are using ARP rod bolts how much were those? and are they nessicary if i want to keep my stock red line? 7200? if i do get them can i run to 8000?
feel free to shoot me an IM from AIM @ vtecguy26 or email me at tsaxman1@hotmail.com
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and as far as getting the wrist pin bushed they said dont even try. That it would be better to open the pistons wrist pin whole to accept the LS wrist pin.
Do you know how Brian at crower is goign about making the bushing? and are you suppling him with your pistons at the same time to press everythign together?
I know you said you are using ARP rod bolts how much were those? and are they nessicary if i want to keep my stock red line? 7200? if i do get them can i run to 8000?
feel free to shoot me an IM from AIM @ vtecguy26 or email me at tsaxman1@hotmail.com
that way we dont clutter the boards.
Thanks
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (DSF)
they said since the pistons use a pressed fit wrist pin a bushing would get pressed out as the pin was being pressed in.
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (turbo sol)
i went to the machine shop today and they quoted me 60-75 for removing apx 20 thousandths off each side of the rods.
and as far as getting the wrist pin bushed they said dont even try. That it would be better to open the pistons wrist pin whole to accept the LS wrist pin.
Do you know how Brian at crower is goign about making the bushing? and are you suppling him with your pistons at the same time to press everythign together?
I know you said you are using ARP rod bolts how much were those? and are they nessicary if i want to keep my stock red line? 7200? if i do get them can i run to 8000?
feel free to shoot me an IM from AIM @ vtecguy26 or email me at tsaxman1@hotmail.com
that way we dont clutter the boards.
Thanks
and as far as getting the wrist pin bushed they said dont even try. That it would be better to open the pistons wrist pin whole to accept the LS wrist pin.
Do you know how Brian at crower is goign about making the bushing? and are you suppling him with your pistons at the same time to press everythign together?
I know you said you are using ARP rod bolts how much were those? and are they nessicary if i want to keep my stock red line? 7200? if i do get them can i run to 8000?
feel free to shoot me an IM from AIM @ vtecguy26 or email me at tsaxman1@hotmail.com
that way we dont clutter the boards.
Thanks
I am sending Brian my pistons (removed from rods) and LS rods...he is making the bushings, putting the bushings in the rods and press-fitting the pistons on the rods. Just shoot him an EMail or call him up....he is charging me $40 for everything + $15 shipping back to me.
IM Rocket, they (hondasaver) have the best price on the ARP rod bolts, I believe they are $39 shipped 2-day. The D16, B18a/b, B20b/z all use the 8mm rod bolts. They are not really necessary, but you can never be too safe....
08-23-2002, 09:38 AM
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Re: LS rods in a d16 turbo? (turbo sol)
I know you said you are using ARP rod bolts how much were those? and are they nessicary if i want to keep my stock red line? 7200? if i do get them can i run to 8000?