How much horse power can i achieve on a built LS motor without sleeving? trying to get into 11's on a GS DA9... any and all info is greatly appreciated

 

before they start flaming you... thats impossible to answer it depends on the setup and the engine. maybe your asking how much power you can put on an ls before it blowing up with stock sleeves. search dude

 

LS-T thread is your friend lol... but anyway, you could easily hit 400whp on stock sleeves. With the DA chassis your gonna be limited on space and will have to fight the OBD0 to OBD1 conversion but aside from that you could hit 11's with a built head with some JGE all motor cams, blox intake manifold, stock bottom end, slicks, and probably 18psi find a good tuner

Need your goals, plans, and what your budget is though to really answer a question like that...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFed_Motorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS-T thread is your friend lol... but anyway, you could easily hit 400whp on stock sleeves. With the DA chassis your gonna be limited on space and will have to fight the OBD0 to OBD1 conversion but aside from that you could hit 11's with a built head with some JGE all motor cams, blox intake manifold, stock bottom end, slicks, and probably 18psi find a good tuner

Need your goals, plans, and what your budget is though to really answer a question like that...</TD></TR></TABLE>

it would be nice if that thread was cleaned up some im sure NO ONE wants to read almost 500 pages of SOME tech and MOSTLY general talk

 

if you are referring to using the stock motor in your DA, I would suggest freshening up the motor with new pistons and rings. It's sad to see all that hard work go to waste when the car is smoking like it's a freight train due to bad rings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFed_Motorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS-T thread is your friend lol... but anyway, you could easily hit 400whp on stock sleeves. With the DA chassis your gonna be limited on space and will have to fight the OBD0 to OBD1 conversion but aside from that you could hit 11's with a built head with some JGE all motor cams, blox intake manifold, stock bottom end, slicks, and probably 18psi find a good tuner

Need your goals, plans, and what your budget is though to really answer a question like that...</TD></TR></TABLE>

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it would be nice if that thread was cleaned up some im sure NO ONE wants to read almost 500 pages of SOME tech and MOSTLY general talk </TD></TR></TABLE>

theres LOTS of tech in there......
but to anwer your with a good size turbo like a t3t4 on 15-20psi with slicks you should be close

 

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it would be nice if that thread was cleaned up some im sure NO ONE wants to read almost 500 pages of SOME tech and MOSTLY general talk </TD></TR></TABLE>

Everyone is biased against the non-VTEC turbo people lol. Im sure no one wants to read thru a bunch of general talk in the JRSC thread either but doesnt mean there isnt good info in there. Cant blame us for being friendly to fellow enthusiests

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1323059

 

Right now i am debating between putting on a GSR head and going LSV N/A for a while or just rebuilding the LS (new pistons, rings, rods, freshen up the block,getting some head work, etc...) and boostin it. but right now im just researching and seeing what i wonna mes wit to have fun while im in school. i go to lincoln tech in whitestone NY. also wil swapping the head with a newer LS head make any difference? as far as tuning goes i know a few good tuning places around NY mainly morris tuning from midnight auto and gato tuning.

 

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Everyone is biased against the non-VTEC turbo people lol. Im sure no one wants to read thru a bunch of general talk in the JRSC thread either but doesnt mean there isnt good info in there. Cant blame us for being friendly to fellow enthusiests

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1323059 </TD></TR></TABLE>

i have a LS-t now how does that make me biased ??? i just think it would be nice if the thread were a little more "organized" thats all like if i have a specific question that gets asked tons of time it would be nice to have a link instead of almost 500 pages of reading

 

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i have a LS-t now how does that make me biased ??? i just think it would be nice if the thread were a little more "organized" thats all like if i have a specific question that gets asked tons of time it would be nice to have a link instead of almost 500 pages of reading </TD></TR></TABLE>

then simply ask the question and you will get a answer...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM809 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also wil swapping the head with a newer LS head make any difference?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Certain non-vtec heads flow better than others but the biggest difference you would see would be swapping out for a P8R head from a B20.

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i have a LS-t now how does that make me biased ??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

That was a general statement... not directed towards you. Theres lots of good info in there that gets repeated every 30 pages or so. I thought about making a universal post in there with all the info you need updated but since santos has the first post i think he should do it

 

ima look more into wat exactly ima end up doing because there are just so much potential in a DA its not even funny ibe been looking into an allmotor b20 vtec build which was being done in honda tuning magazine with a dart block and a GSR head and the build gave out 318 HP they are shooting for about 270 to the wheels that would make a hell of a daily driver with a/c and maybe hit a few runs at the strip here and there. any input or opinion on a build is greatly appreciated how ever i will take into consideration and do further research.

 

LS-turbo in a DA with a decent sized turbo, nice manifold, race gas for the weekends, and a high boost setting you could have a beast on your hands. Like my tuner said last night, race gas is a bandaide for the block lol.

 

How many pounds can you run on a stock b18 with it running strong and for a long time

 

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I cant give you an exact amount of boost because every engine reacts differently and has different amounts of wear and tear. Id say the majority run 9lbs without any problems bone stock ls for many years but again it varies. Im on 12lbs for about a year NO problems whatsoever AT ALL. Others run higher than that with built heads and are making a lot more POWER that last a long time as well. Its not "boost" thats gonna kill the motor its your power output and basically will fall upon your tune

 

Anyone know about how much a DART extended b20 block cost or if they make B18 LS blocks? prefer the B20 however

 

Last dart block i saw for sale new was god aweful expensive and a waste of money

 

alright well thanks for everyones help and input...ill continue doing my research and hopefully ill soon decide n/a or boost how ever since im building a daily driver i think ima go with N/A set-up until i can get a second car for a project.

 

forget a n/a setup,do a compresion test and if u get good # boost on stock block wit a t3t4 wit a good tune u ca get up to 300whp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NVturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you are referring to using the stock motor in your DA, I would suggest freshening up the motor with new pistons and rings. It's sad to see all that hard work go to waste when the car is smoking like it's a freight train due to bad rings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not really, any motor whether it be in a DA or RSX can be in bad shape...if it is mechanically in good shape and a compression test comes out fine you are good to go....I'm boosted on my 185k 1991 B18a1 with no issues, compression stays the same as it has since I've owned it (132k miles)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFed_Motorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Certain non-vtec heads flow better than others but the biggest difference you would see would be swapping out for a P8R head from a B20 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, and if you have a B18a1 then even a P75 head flows much better....more importantly are the cams which a few of us are running the JG303's and love them!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFed_Motorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS-T thread is your friend lol... but anyway, you could easily hit 400whp on stock sleeves. With the DA chassis your gonna be limited on space and will have to fight the OBD0 to OBD1 conversion but aside from that you could hit 11's with a built head with some JGE all motor cams, blox intake manifold, stock bottom end, slicks, and probably 18psi find a good tuner

Need your goals, plans, and what your budget is though to really answer a question like that...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes come on over, we will be nice And not all DA's are OBD0...the 92-93 models are already OBD1. You can tune on the OBD0 ecu but it is not near as good/supported as the OBD1. And it's not that hard to convert (ecu,harness, dizzy, 4-wire O2 or disable the O2 heater in your tuning software and run your 1-wire O2) and well worth it! 400whp on stock sleeves has been done over and over, and 300whp is pretty much the standard for stock block LS motors. The most important thing is the TUNE, and I recommend running a wideband O2 24/7 in your car especially since they are so cheap now.

 

ive just been looking aside from boost right now cuz i am going to need something real reliable to take me to school all year till next july so i dont wonna go boost my motor and blow and end up having my car sit for long time while i get another motor which is going to be obd 1 or 2 and do all the conversion for that ill just fix up the motor just get some axels i need and freshen up my block and run it stock till i graduate.

 

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That was a general statement... not directed towards you. Theres lots of good info in there that gets repeated every 30 pages or so. I thought about making a universal post in there with all the info you need updated but since santos has the first post i think he should do it </TD></TR></TABLE>

what would u guys like to see on the LS-T thread?

 

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what would u guys like to see on the LS-T thread? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think people dont like the thought of actually having to read thru the entire thread to find all the good info... probably need a FAQ post with links to roughly where the info is. Such as ls tranny vs. XX tranny, what kinda plugs, turbo sizes, etc. Lotta work though

 

wow im str8...... its a big thread i know but it aint going no where so if someone wants to find the right answer they will read or go in there and ask...

 

For what its worth, my stock 94 LS went an offical 12.3, but i was on my way to an 11.9-11.8 but i was bracket racing and hit my brakes. This was with a completely stock LS with a full ebay turbo setup on DSM 450's at 10psi.

http://s47.photobucket.com/alb...4.flv&lt;------vid


As you can tell by the 1/8th ET and MPH, the 12.5 was waaay faster. Like i said, this is a bone stock LS with 144k on the clock and 205/50/15 street tires. Given the weight and the MPH, the car was making right at approx. 310hp. Take it as you want.