1. i drove my car to work 5 days a week from february to november. same motor.

2. i believe that a properly built motor and a properly tuned standalone is the best form of making real power. it is also next to impossible to find a great engine builder and a great standalone tuner......especially if you live in a fairly remote area. that is also out of the price range for the majority of honda tech forced induction readers.

3. i believe that the majority of the people here on honda tech will never drive anything close to a 400 hsp daily driven vehicle nor could they afford one.

4. i only mentioned the inline pro headgasket because it is a way for someone with not alot of money to drive a car thats boosted more than 8 lbs.

5. i do not receive any financial gains by anyone purchasing a headgasket. i only wanted to pass on their product to people who may be interested in them.

6. i have never had a blown motor. i ran 11's all season. i street raced all season. the car went 11.38 @ 125 with this headgasket. thats a 2400 lb car with me in it. so i do not know what its like to have a blown motor......sorry.

7. i never wanted this to turn into attacks and flames. some people say my set up sucks. everyone else thats SEEN it and SEEN me drive it says its GREAT and my car is FAST. whatever.

if you've got money, a great engine builder, a great tuner, a dyno.......then spend 10,000+ on a motor/turbo/standalone.

if you don't have that kind of money, consider a low compression headgasket.

best regards,
karl

 

Can I ask a few questions about your setup?
How much boost do you run?
What size slicks?
Any suspension mods?

125MPH 1/4 mile passes are very impressive from anything that can driven on the street but shouldn't it run lower ET's with that kind of MPH? Do you have to go into 5th gear?

 

i've only hit 125 once......124 twice......and usually 123/122 when the cars running good. this was originally built as a total street car. thats another reason i get upset with people telling me i don't drive it on the street....whatever......so, i have koni yellows in the rear w/skunk2 coilovers all the way around. in august i swapped the rear skunk2's for drag springs and thats when i pulled a 124 and 125. up front i have nothing. stock shocks, bushings, everything....just skunk2 coilovers. it doesn't hook that great and a few racers i know told me the front of my car is all over the place when i launch. i've pulled 125 on 24.5" slicks and 124 on 25" slicks. they are very similiar. i've pulled a best 60 ft @ 1.74 w/ the 24.5's and a 1.76 w/ the 25's. my times this year were pretty inconsistent. (11.60's-11.90's) i attribute most of that to clutch and suspension. next year i will be improving all my mistakes.

your times are nice...i've been looking for ya.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 1:13 PM 12/15/2001]

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
If you agree, great, if you don't, theres no need for this to turn into attacks or flames.

I just want to add my 2 cents. Here it is.

I've been turbo for almost 2 years now.
I've gone through 2 motors and Im on my third one now. The first one was stock. The first motor I had was from a 96' Gsr. I boosted it for 8 moths and the #3 ring lands cracked. That motor never saw past 9psi of boost.

The second motor I built. I threw in pistons and rods. In the third day of the breaking in period the car started to smoke heavily. I took the car apart and the wrist pin lock on #2 came off.

Now Im on my third block...a stock 95 Gsr.
This block put me in the 11's, but I boosted more (11.5psi). Ive had this block for 10 months and no problem so far. The compression ratio on all the cylinders are still good.

All engines are different. I believe that Im lucky with this block, however Im aware that Im pushing the limits.

In conclusion, my car would have never ran right without the help of the people around me (friends and opinions from the internet). Ive listened to reasonable and some outrageous opinions. It's just up to the person if he/she is willing to go with that opinion.

For the most part, Ive learned from my own mistakes.

Like I said, this was just my 2 cents.

 

i agree 100% FIxALPHA........i'll see you guys in jersey next year with my new set up.

 

You see, we can do this peacefuly.... thank you.

 

i'm trying man......i'm trying....

 

(jinxproof99) how can u run a 12:1 disk with a 440cc and why u got a s-afc and not a v-afc on a vtec motor

 

i just happened to get the s-afc....no real reason behind it. why can't i run 12:1 w/440's?? it worked well for me.

 

i run 440cc's with a 5:1 ratio

a 12:1 will give u 120psi of fuel at 10psi boost
180psi of fuel at 15psi boost
240psi of fuel at 20psi boost

and it will bogg in to u see boost and then be very rich at low boost
most fuel pump dont go but up 145psi
only way that work u ride at the same boost all the time and u got the afc tune down if u got a fuel psi guage what psi do u see when u in boost
and your fuel psi at idle

 

basically i do ride at the same boost all the time. i run 48 psi at idle. i have the profec b. i launch at 12 lbs of boost and when i hit 2nd gear, i hit the button.....and go to 20 lbs. 3rd and 4th gear on the dyno are great. it does run rich down low, but i think the rich parts attributes to me being able to run this type of set up for an extended period of time. we have found that the finer you tune these engines, the riskier it becomes.(when dealing with piggyback and stock block that is.) i personally don't mind it being rich down low. not a big deal.

 

is inline pro headgasket made of coper

 

no....steel.

 

Its basically two stock honda head gaskets and a copper peace sandwiched in between.

The whole gasket measures 2.7mm and thats the reason your compression goes down.

Jinx is that really steel It looks like copper??? Maybe I'm wrong.


[Modified by newgsr, 5:32 PM 12/15/2001]

 

[QUOTE]basically i do ride at the same boost all the time. i run 48 psi at idle. i have the profec b. i launch at 12 lbs of boost and when i hit 2nd gear, i hit the button.....and go to 20 lbs. 3rd and 4th gear on the dyno are great.QUOTE]

Launch at 12psi? Must be nice. Does it make a difference to launch with/without boost? Do you use a 2 step thing or something? My **** has 0psi when I launch

 

its defiantly steel.......it has a coating on it and thats what looks like copper. trust me, its steel.

 

i use that for the street....to control my launch(wheel spin) at the track, i launch at 20 lbs....but its only 5 or 6 lbs at the light and doesn't kick in until under load. you know the deal.

 

does or will inline make head gastkets honda D blocks?

 

For the D16 get an HKS ZC 3mm headgasket.

 

after reading the above now I understand why he can run like this his car is running rich thus increasing the safety zone now I'm not sure about what everyone else has heard its not boost that kills a engine its bad tuning and I've also heard that high rpms also kills a engine faster than boost I would also like to say good job to jinxproof99 on your car and your 1/4 times I think your doing a great job with what your are running BTW have you dynoed the car if so lemme know what knda a/f ratio you are running or post the chart.

 

i am running pretty much the same set-up on my car.i have a venom in-line pump though(100gph).i have a 12:1 fmu and 440's as well.the set-up works great.i drive the car every day and love it.i have only been to the track once since this set-up and had serious traction problems that i am trying to work out before i go back.i had a haltech and 720cc injectors before and blew two motors.i saw that this set-up was working for them(in-line pro) and jumped on it.much props out to stan at in-line.he has been the biggest help i have gotten and has not ask for one red cent.i even talked about driving up on a weekend to get them to tune my car and he said that there was no need to do that,we could do it over the phone.he gave me the settings off of his car.i put them into my car and didn't have to change hardly anything at the dyno.great bunch of guys.listen to what they have to say.you will be glad you did!

 

turbotyper: Wow, running a piggyback system is working better than a standalone for you? Can you add more on how you blew your 2 engines running a haltech?

 

the first time i forgot to set a map for the msd two-step.it went lean and melted the pistons.on the factory ecu(& afc),the mixture is fine.the second time,i was using the anti-lag feature on the haltech and the selenoid i used would not close once it saw boost.it closed the wastgate and it went to about 50-60 lbs. of boost.melted all four pistons and cracked all four cylinders.they were both stupid mistakes but they happened none the less.the only complaint i have now(besides the emense lack of traction) is that if you stomp it it will flood the engine.you have to let the turbo spool up then stomp it.i am currently contemplating getting a power fc within the next few weeks.i will be using 720cc injectors and no fmu.

 

What combination of fuel pump/pumps does inline use to sustain such immense fuel pressures? At 20+psi with a 12:1 regulator fuel pressures must be through the roof. I honestly have trouble seeing how the all the fuel is delivered? Does anyone there have a guage that will read what fuel pressures you guys are running?

 

Sounds like the FMU is simply taking it directly to the max pressure his pump can deliver when he's boosting, and his electronics are taking care of tuning from there. No pump on the market can deliver the 280 psi that would ideally result from a 12:1 FMU at 20 psi. As stated before, this means he's probably running a bit rich at partial boost but if you're careful on the right foot, this is manageable.