88crxhfb16

how hard is it to install a block guard on a b16?

and what are the basic steps?

also I know there is an option to weld it. is that really neccessary?

SSBPGSR

is it a bare block? i would not weld it in if the block has pistons in it, warpage may occur. if your going to get the block bored and honed then i would go ahead and get it welded before they hone/bore it, just so you dont get an egg shaped cyl. you dont really need it to be welded in there, its just extra security. you dont want to have to hammer the bitch in with a sledge hammer, but you want it to be snug...no looseness to it. if you havent installed one before i would let somebody help you if the pistons are still in the block. take your time and do it right. what kind of block guard are you going with anyway?

88crxhfb16

looking at race engineering. it would be installed on a stock b16. its in the car now.


plan on running 10psi with a Garrett T3/T04e 60 trim turbo. will this block guard help or is it intended for higher HP applications?

_entropy

I've never seen any proof that shows block guards doing anything but making your car run a few degrees hotter. A friend of mine's daily driver is an ITR with pistons, rods, 390 WHP on pump gas no blockguard on stock sleeves, and his car has been running like that for over 2 years. I don't see the need.

88crxhfb16

thanks i'll probably skip it then, i've heard stock internals on the B's are pretty tough.

lilbluehatch1

better be safe than sorry tho

beerbongskickass

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Being safe would mean tuning the car well... not getting a block guard.

lilbluehatch1

tru tru

DRIVENRacing

block guard works... closing the deck is definately a plus... i run one, alot of my customers run em.. it works man.. geez 100 bux of insurance, why not?

crucian

I installed one from KMS engineering about 2 weeks ago. It was a bitch to get in but I finally got it in with a fight. I dont have a problem with over heating as someone told me I would. I just honed my cylinders when I was finished with the install. I can post a pic but I dont know where to host it. Oh, one more thing, it was real tight around the #4 cylinder but a lil loose around #1. But so far, engine has been running great.

reaction360

I like the STR/Golden Eagle/AC style block guards better. Seem to have bigger passages for better cooling. i dont like how the race engineering ones and the old nuformz ones have such tiny holes.

SSBPGSR

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thats why i chose the STR

i havent seen any problems with overheating from the other ones though, lots of my friends run them with no problems, i just chose this one to be different from the rest of them, and the larger coolant passages

BlueSi2k

If the block is stock I don't see the point in ripping off the head. Maybe as extra protection if you were going forged pistons/rods. I've been running with no blockguard w/ forged pistons/rods for almost 2 years 35k miles.

SOHC_MShue

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88crxhfb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looking at race engineering. it would be installed on a stock b16. its in the car now.


plan on running 10psi with a Garrett T3/T04e 60 trim turbo. will this block guard help or is it intended for higher HP applications?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if your only running that much boost i don't see the need for one.

beerbongskickass

Why do sleeves crack? High rpms and increased cylinder pressure (detonation, knock, etc...)

I don't see how a block guard is going to help anything...

crucian

Here is the one I got from KMS engineering. Like I said, so far no over heating.

88crxhfb16

thanks

88crxhfb16

damn man your pistons are beautifull

wrXtian

i hear blockguards are more prone to detonation since they cause a little hot spot at the top of your cylanders..

rudebwoy

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I used the STR blockguard, in my setup. and it runs great, I blew my motor with this blockguard install and the only thing that got fucked up was the pistons, the sleeves were still good, so the blockgard did its job by protecting the sleeves. so I think its worth it, I would rather use a blockguard rather than drilling holes in my my block for block posting.

not everyone has bad experiense with blockguards.


Modified by rudebwoy at 6:45 PM 5/15/2005

SSBPGSR

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jDMJeRk

When I was building my motor, I too didnt know if I wanted a block guard. I decided since I was getting the block bored and honed, that I mind as well get the guard.

Block guards work. My motor doesnt overheat (the first 300 miles I didnt even have a fan and I had a half size radiator as well).

I think the big reason people have problems with block guards is they think its a CHEAP replacement for sleeves. PROPER install of a block guard IMO isnt cheap. Buying a guard and installing it poorly is where you run into problems.

I wanted to run a GE guard but my machine shop liked the Race better and had better success with it. (Get the guard your machine shop feels comfortable with and has seen the most success. Not what you want to run or what everyone else runs)

Im shutting up now, I could go on and on and on....

Good luck!

BTW: I have a b16, 81.5mm, Race BG, WELDED in. No complaints.

_entropy

The point is, does that blockguard do anything for you? A handful of 500+ WHP setups have been without blockguards on stock sleeves, and if a lot of aftermarket sleeves have no bracing at the top I really don't see a block guard doing a lot for you.

Captian_Honda

A lot of the Blockguard horror stories that float around are from shitty blockguards. Like everything else, what you pay is what you get.

I'd say the Golden Eagle blockguards are pretty damn slick...

jDMJeRk

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Captian_Honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A lot of the Blockguard horror stories that float around are from shitty blockguards. Like everything else, what you pay is what you get.

I'd say the Golden Eagle blockguards are pretty damn slick...</TD></TR></TABLE>
GE makes good products in general. Im happy with my RACE guard