hoochhenry

hi im running a b16a turbo setup im woundering what timing i can run on my setup up its running .5bar on a t3 turbo all upgraded pump and injectors etc.heres some pics of the tune graphs [IMG][img=http://s15.postimg.org/noode078n/low_cam.jpg][/IMG]


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mar778c

iTrader: (1)

Only way to know is to get the car tuned.

hoochhenry

il be doing it my+self ive sorted the fueling seems its running nice just the timing to see what poeple think its stock b16a engine not looking crazy power just a nice street driving civic

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Trick question? Wouldn't the answer be "Whatever amount you need"?
Wondering about your ability to tune seeing as how you can't even post a pic properly.

hoochhenry

lol yep im new to it ,but someone with some know how could steer me in the right direction with abit of help

turbociv910

this is going to end badly if your asking how much timing your engine can run on a forum. Take it to a competent tuner, he will then decide what it should be.

Orangevirus1

one billion

DDTECH

so around 8 psi?

For newbies, its a good starting point to retarded 1 degree of full timing, per PSI of boost.

Use a P30 map to start, go from there.

Orangevirus1

that is a good starting point. And when you start really getting into tuning, you realize you don't need to start pulling any timing after about 5psi on most cars ( key words there, not saying honda specific ). and pull in 0.25 increments until knock is seen / gone.

Also don't always tune right for knock threshold, especially on stock pistons

Pulling an entire degree doesn't sound like much, but 5 degrees pulled at 5 psi is a lot.


but it is an awesome base to start on so I recommend it.

turbociv910

i doubt the OP is using a p72 along with a knock sensor anyways. I think hes blind tuning ignition timing on the street.

DDTECH

If he learns to read plugs hell be ok

hoochhenry

thanks for the comments guys ive det cans so im able to detect ,and a afr gauge in car also

hoochhenry

im running p30 ecu with ectune ,and i pretty ok so far with the aspect of the software got bigger injectors to run right and few other things,i into learning the aspect of tunning my own car instead of paying someone else to do it for me as im useing the car for some drag days and its a hobby for me

Boyle.R

Bring it to a tuner and remove all guess work that's my 2 cents

hoochhenry

ive got the car running mybe 230bhp and its running sweet as a nut so im doing something right ,why bring it to a tuner and i want to tune the car myself , i positive input i need not negative lol ,im not in fear of blowing this engine as there cheap as chips in Ireland as ive a b18 ready to put into it this is a guinna pig engine for a learning tool really to be quiet honest ive brought cars to tuners here before only to see them blow up from det lol

turbociv910

best of luck

hoochhenry

once i get some good tunning into the car i can run it on a dyno and see how my 165bhp na motor does with a turbo on it ,il put up a thread on the whole car as ive also made up my compelte turbo kit and stuff up so il be happy when its done

Turbo-LS

iTrader: (4)

If you want to tune your self its called research. There are plenty of books available to at least give you basic knowledge and a starting point for tuning. Its better than going at it blindly, that will just result in a blown motor

Orangevirus1

Blind tuning ignition on the street with No knock logging at all is like playing russian roulette with a semi automatic.

you **** the timing numbers up and you can detonate when you're not even in boost... so be careful.

Detonation doesn't always show up on spark plugs, and By the time detonation is audible ( you can hear it ) it's already too late.

DDTECH

lmao.

Orangevirus1

True fact.

hoochhenry

lol
il resreach some more so

2000CTRSi

Ign map is weak.

hoochhenry

yes its a base map ive got the fueling sorted so im just asking what yous guys think about the ign map as how many degrees do they take safe

ohsnapzafingcu

iTrader: (2)

this makes no sense. how do you "tune" part throttle and midrange timing on the dyno? LOL Detonation ALWAYS shows on plugs from my experiences.. I've heard pinging and loud knocks under WOT on plenty of setups and they still hold together. Do yourself a favor and research more or actually go out and tune some cars before you provide false info.