hey how much can i boost on my shock 95civic ex D16z6 with little or no mod to my engine. i wanna keep the internal stock.

 

depends on how good your tuning is.....
hondata....i'd push it to 11psi (most you can run without getting a 3-bar map sensor)
piggyback 8psi
fmu 8psi with larger injectors, 5psi w/stock injectors

 

what you can't push to 11psi, the rods on the stock D16z6 well break at about 200hp. beside wouldn't you need a AFC and a dataloger. where do you get that.. um...

 

no, there are several people making 200+ whp on stock d16's.....without problems...
I say 11psi because above that you need to upgrade to a 3 bar map sensor, the stock one won't cut it anymore

 

huh, are you sure, cause greddy company said you shouldn't push it pass 7 at all. yea i think at 200hp it will be alright. but i would need a afc2 injector, fuel pump, and most of all a datalogger, dsm make them but not for honda. it's called a palm pilot. if you didn't have it how would you know how much fuel to put in. beside i think at 11 my stock ecu wouldn't be able to handle it. i mean you could but it will break sooner or later.. i want my engine to last....

 

Re-read my reply .......
11psi wouln't be with your stock ecu, 11psi would be with hondata (you can make fuel and spark corrections where needed)....
greddy says 7psi because they don't idiots going out raising the boost to 15psi with no other modifications, blowing their engine and then blaming them because the guys at greddy said that 15psi was ok....get the drift....
Same reason they don't (or last time i checked) market a kit for the sohc non-vtec (d15b7) they havent done any testing on that engine and it's not as strong as it's brother (the d16)...although the d16 kit fits the d15....it's all the same

 

sorry but what is a hondata, and how much is it. beside i think the rods would break if push pass 200hp and rev pass 7500rpm sooner or later. say so in the honda/acura high porformance book

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry but what is a hondata, and how much is it. beside i think the rods would break if push pass 200hp and rev pass 7500rpm sooner or later. say so in the honda/acura high porformance book</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.hondata.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. say so in the honda/acura high porformance book</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you looking at the one that talkes about the 450hp 1.8ltr 11 sec honda? the one that was published in 1996

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> beside i think the rods would break if push pass 200hp and rev pass 7500rpm sooner or later. say so in the honda/acura high porformance book</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haa yes.. the book written by idiots. If properly tuned... D-16 rods can take over 200 Hp day in and day out.


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http://hondata.com/

I have the S-100... and it rocks

 

tuned or not you can't it don't matter honda rods are weak. and what the hell is a hondata, what does it do. beside i have the Fmc, so called blue box. if i put the hondata in it, it will mess it up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tuned or not you can't it don't matter honda rods are weak. </TD></TR></TABLE>

So how many D series motors have you ran past 200Hp? Where do you get this "honda rods are weak" information?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and what the hell is a hondata, what does it do. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you not follow the link. Its a programable engine management system.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> beside i have the Fmc, so called blue box. if i put the hondata in it, it will mess it up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You don't need that crap with Hondata.Use it as a paper weight... thats about all its good for anyways.

 

D series have made it way past 200whp on stock internals over and over again. As well as Accords and many other Honda motors. Their bottom ends take more **** thatn most other engines i know of, and they dont break as easily(unless its lean or starved of oil)

 

yea i know what it is. but they tune it for you already. you want to tune it yourself. to know exactly how much fuel to put in if you gonna boost more. and no i see no honda turbo anyways. cause everybody went to sawp. and yea i got it from honda/acura high performance book. honda rods are weak, it can only take up to 200hp, the B-engine are stronger which can handle up to 250 and 300hp

 

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Adams automotive in crest view has a F22 in a EG 4 door that is making 270 Hp to the wheels... on stock internals

 

Dude your questions have been answered. You seem to know everything anyways so why even post?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea i know what it is. but they tune it for you already. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I tuned my own. It only comes with the basic settings needed to get your car running.. and get on a Dyno.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and yea i got it from honda/acura high performance book. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That book is so out dated its not even funny.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">honda rods are weak, it can only take up to 200hp, the B-engine are stronger which can handle up to 250 and 300hp</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like I said before... I have gotten 227 Hp out of a D-16... as a daily driver.. and it had no problems. You really need to use a more up to date resource

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beerbongskickass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude your questions have been answered. You seem to know everything anyways so why even post?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah he knows everything

 

yea but it's gonna break b4 my car does. you want to boost the most and make it last the longest. simple

 

we better all just drop our compression ratios to 2:1 so it can last the longest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecbOi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea but it's gonna break b4 my car does. you want to boost the most and make it last the longest. simple</TD></TR></TABLE>

well .. the oneI was refering too has been going strong for almost two years. It gets auto crossed.. and run in the 1320... the only problem it has is traction.


Dude.. how many cars have you gone F/I with? Have you read anything other than a very out dated publication?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by p0gi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we better all just drop our compression ratios to 2:1 so it can last the longest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

noo I have the blue box... I can go 3.0:1

 

maybe someday we can get it up to 3.5:1

 

You've got a lot of research to do, kiddo.

I read this forum for an ENTIRE YEAR before I installed my turbo kit this fall, and it was a great decision on my part.

stock SOHC motors have been pushed to 240-250whp, and one SOHC with a headgasket and headstuds hit 302WHP on STOCK internals. How's that for Honda strength.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by p0gi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> maybe someday we can get it up to 3.5:1 </TD></TR></TABLE>


3.8:1 if you have the APC hose cover kit