Your GF has a "sexually transmitted infection" ?

 

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i have a stage 3 clutch already and i guess i will prob wind up forking out prob near 4000 to 5000 for a decent turbo setup then ok next question should i sell my other b16 and then buy a gsr to turbo it instead

 

i hope to god not lol but no she has a subaru impreza wrx sti lol yea should have clarified that

 

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do they have much boost lag thats one thing i really dont want at all and am willing to pay more just not to have it

 

There's a checkbox where you order. Just look for the dropdown that says "No Lag + $200".

 

All turbos have "lag time" if your tune and engine components are the right combo it's not noticeable. Damn dude you want to do all of this just to beat your girls car...idk if that's a good thing or not but to each there own

 

Its possible to build a setup for $2k give or take, but you're going to have to watch the Classifieds like a hawk. My first turbo setup after tuning cost me about $2600 and knowing what i know now, I could have saved a few hundred bucks. Figure out what you need to make it work and start filling in the blanks with parts from the Classifieds section. Hell, if you feel like saving yourself some money, I have a Garrett t3/t04e 60 trim in good shape, but in need of a rebuild. The rebuild kit is $120 and I'll sell you the unit as is for $280 shipped...there's a $400 turbo and its not made-in-china garbage. I also have an InlinePro SS manifold, a Johnny Race Car 8" intercooler with some misc piping, and a GM 3bar MAP sensor... PM me if you're interested

 

I'm not sure why everyone is fighting you on your 2k budget. Obviously you're not gonna be king of the strip but It seems like you should be able to have a reasonably quick and reliable set up for that money if you spend some time stalking craigslist.

Around me, these kind of deals are not unusual.

DSM turbo or other used turbo ~$50-$200
+ Rebuild kit ~$120

Used or ebay manifold downpipe intercooler~$125-$300
+ Quality new couplers $50-$100

Used wideband~$100

DSM injectors~ $75 or junkyard??

255 fuel pump ~$100. ~$60 used

Thats like $700-$900 and most of what you'll need to finish the job. Spend the rest on a hondata and a good tune. I know some tuners will cut you a deal if you buy the hondata from them when you get your car tuned.

 

So how much CAN you spend.

 

Told you. Junkyard/Ebay build.

 

I see fairly decent name brand Intake/manifold/intercooler setups for less than 400, along with good quality used injectors for less than $150 at least 3 times a month on craigslist.

Non of those parts I mentioned need to come from ebay or a junkyard. Building a reliable turbo setup for less than 2k is very possible.

 

You're not taking into account certain additional costs and safety measures in your estimates. Time is Money, sometimes, people don't have the resources to be able to make even minor adjustments to these "cheaper" setups. Responses are in bold.

 

And yet you mentioned both Ebay and the junkyard. Hm.

 

Glad you trust CL more than me.. someone's gotta continue to be suckered.

 

Yes because my original post was for OP, not you. I don't see a serious threat to reliability from using ebay manifold and piping so long as the couplers are upgraded.

But since you claim that it can ONLY be done using ebay/ junkyard parts I was pointing out to *you* that that is not always the case.

 

As for the person saying I underpriced the turbo, what would you say is a more fair estimate of the price if you plan to rebuild? $500-$600 total? Surely you can't argue with that and that still only increases the total build expense to ~$1250 before tuning






So you don't buy used parts or do you believe that scam artists only use craigslist and no one on honda-tech ever screwed over anyone? Geez, maybe you should give it some thought before you imply *someone else* is naive.

I would understand if you didn't want to buy diamond jewelry but stuff like a manifold and intercooler that you already plan on replacing the couplers for? Its pretty straightforward once you go to look at it. "Is the part broken??" "no, okay proceed with transaction"

*could* there be pinhole leaks and hair line fractures invisible to the naked eye? Of course there could. But your brand spanking new garret turbo *could* disitigrate 5 miles after instalation and send bearings into your brand new engine.

This is a budget turbo build not space exploration, I think a risk that low can be tolerated.

 

Possibly $500, hard to say unless the turbocharger is properly inspected. As one that repairs these professionally, its not all cut and dry. By the time its all said and done on most of those, the $600 or so that it took to repair it, would have gone to a properly set T3 flanged setup that doesn't require unique fabrication to the downpipe in order to fit. In addition, if the turbocharger isn't the one properly used for his goals and efficiency range, its money easily wasted.


One must imply that person of not being completely informed if the risks of going through such purchase transactions are not taken into account as well as the benefits when it comes to CL. There's nothing wrong with quality used components from reliable manufacturers from previous owners. But even on H-T, the likelihood is a bit reduced considering that this particular online community is focused specifically for other members.

I understand people on H-T get screwed a lot, and that's unfortunate. But there is less of a likelihood of BS occurring when that same person has additional safety measures such as vouch threads and the support of other potential buyers than CL could ever give as a "policing" effort. I'm simply going by the law of averages here. If the OP isn't informed about risks as well as benefits, whether or not the belief that they are naive is subjective, it doesn't help him at all by just giving one example of where everything went well, and using that as the standard.


Glad you feel its that simple and nothing to this point has happened in the negative towards you. But as I stated, it may not be for everyone based upon his time, budget, mechanical inclination etc. A few new couplers does just fine once they know the dimensions of the other materials (compressor outlet size, intercooler piping, etc), but if they don't understand how the entire process works, its like giving instructions on how to build a make-shift tool shed, showing them a picture of the final product, and not providing the details or instructions on how its done. The person just winds up frustrated and buys a complete one instead with ready-to-build instructions and parts already included in the package.

Again, the likelihood is less if the person were informed as to HOW it is to be installed and what pitfalls to avoid during installation. Even Garrett turbos out of the box come with a set of instructions on torque settings, oil pressure, and what NOT to use when it it comes to installation. (even though it states that a professional should install it). I've not seen one Garrett (sorry for my bias) Garrett-hybrid or even a new Mitsubishi turbocharger that has just "failed" without the cause being related in some way to installation error, be it not cooling down, wrong oil lines, not the correct supplemental equipment such as checking oil pressure, no restrictors, etc....

Even a used Garrett or Turbonetics or Borg-Warner allows the user to have at least some chance to be able to repair the turbocharger to its completion. but one has to know what's wrong first, and the original purchaser whose selling it may not know what that issue is.. so they just say.. "may need a rebuild".. Meanwhile the poor bastard of a new purchaser gets screwed when he goes to a rebuilder or gets some cheap "rebuild kit" only to find that that the entire turbo is trash.. So its better to buy new and look at warranty structure and be careful in the installation.

Have I sold a used turbo on Honda-tech? Yes, when I'm done with it. but that's because I'm candid in what was, or was not wrong with the turbo from the start, and the potential purchaser is informed from the very beginning. The only used ones I've ever sold were personal prototypes, and I have a valid vouch thread, so the risk, again is minimal for others to deal with me. I may be an exception and not the rule, but over the years on this and several other forums similar to this, its much easier to weed out the "boo-boos" than on CL.

Again, I hope that his risk aversion is the same level as yours.. based upon what he's explained, I doubt it.. But I understand where you're coming from.. Do the most.. with the least.

 

You're turning this into a thread about why you don't use craigslist. Thats fine if its not for you. Personally, I've bought and sold tons of stuff through craigslist and the overwhelmingly majority of my experiences have been positive. Trying to argue by speculating about "statistics" or some illusion of security is really silly because no one here knows what the actually rates of "scam" are for CL and HT. The point here is obviously that a great deal of money can be saved with used parts with a negligible impact on reliability.


Regardless though, this is a thread about building a reliable turbo setup for less than 2k. From the very beginning I think I've made it clear that my point is that this is a very realistic goal despite a great deal of negativity from some people here. By sourcing used parts and rebuilding/upgrading them where it counts you can most definitely work with a 2k budget.

However, It seems like you want to quibble about the pros and cons of DSM rebuilds vs Garrets and what other things *could* go wrong if you buy the wrong part or instal it incorrectly. But I'm not sure why you're directing this at me? Hasn't the mantra of the FI forum ALWAYS been to research, research, research? So I think it goes without saying that this or any project needs to be properly understood *before* diving into it otherwise you're almost guaranteed to fail.

It really seems like you're more concerned with telling me what little details about my suggestion you disagree with rather than providing constructive advice to the OP on how to accomplish his goals.

 

oscarasimov:
just stop arguing with shodan because he knows what he is talking about and you dont for the most part. you say buy this thread about building a reliable turbo setup, the most reliable setup is a brand new setup...i hope you do realize that.

 

No. I'm specifically stating that there are inherent risks involved in purchasing from CL moreso than from other venues. I expressly stated why I don't buy from it as well, but from an experienced objective point of view, the OP needs to know benefits AND risks.

Yes. you're right, a great deal of money can be saved with used parts, 1) from the right venue with the right seller 2) when the buyer clearly understands that there is a risk in purchasing used, and even more of an inherent risk when used from a CL ad on average. I'm very precise with my statements here.


Understood.

relax. People find that I can easily debate a topic without getting personal, because i keep this as a discussion, and not a personal attack. I don't care what you do with your money or your decision-making process. I'm simply stating that your initial statements of how "easy" it is to do what you're proposing leaves out the possibility of increased risks, and that the OP has a duty to be informed of those substantial risks.

Try not to flatter yourself too much there, my friend. You're interesting, but not that interesting to debate with. Omission of information is not the same as critique of that same information. I looked at your information, and explained what was omitted when it comes to performing that type of approach with consistency. Nothing more. ( I didn't say you were an idiot, personally attack your intelligence, or your ability to problem-solve. Nor did I even suggest that this hadn't been your first pony-ride at this.. We can agree to disagree, that's fine, but its only fair to the OP so that he can make a fully-informed decision.

I think you are the individual that's taking this personally. Not me.

 

Totaled up my eBay build every weld plug and bolt I can Remember. The only labor was a tune and clutch. 2400.00$ boost costs money n gas on top of insurance. I thought I was under 2k

That's with quality wastegate blow off full gauge set and other tweaks ht suggested. So far so good

 

And the most reliable car you can purchase is a brand new one? But that doesn't mean you can't find a great and reliable used DD for 5k??? Yes, there is an increased risk of buying a lemon when you go used but people buy brand new lemons all the time too. When buying a used car, research first and perform you due diligence when you go to test drive the car and you can considerably minimize those risks I'm not really sure what kind of point you're trying to make here.


I'm sure he does know more than me but nothing I've said so far is really out there, is it? Maybe a DSM rebuild isn't the best route, maybe shodons suggestion for turbo selection is better. Sure why not, but that still leaves the budget well under 2k, which is precisely the point of this thread no?

 

that sir is a whole different discussion