Tmnjlb123

I have a built gsr motor not sleeved but bored to 9:1 compression with je pistons and eagle connecting rods and head job and I was wondering what turbo would be the most reliable and could make good for Daily driving and make 400-700 whp, so I could crank boost up at track and a turbo with not much turbo lag.

PLEASE Help!!!

Tmnjlb123

I would like to run a borg warner on 93 pump for street and even would be happy with 500 whp. Setup now is turbonetics t3 t4 made 365whp on 93 pump and I believe with 440 rc injectors . I want more street power at least

AZ_CIVIC

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I am running a Garrett t3/t61 off the shelf journal bearing turbo. I made 715whp at 25 psi, this turbo is a step above a 60-1 and it actually is very responsive on the street. It is also a very reasonable price, I got mine for $850 brand new from Turbos Direct. So if you are looking for something that can be used for DD and also make good power I think it is a good choice.

king06

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Friend made 470 on pump 91 with a .57 t3/t4 on a stock port gsr.

Get a better tune, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get that amount to.

Natural Aspirations

I have no experience above 635, sorry.

Tmnjlb123

Would this work

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GARRETT-Turbo-T4-P-trim-turbine-wheel-61mm-Comp-600HP-/380099247129?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item587fae3c19&vxp=mtr

Tmnjlb123

Az civic I couldn't find your model turbo on turbo direct to you see it on website anymore? Also what size injectors are you running?

king06

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I think this is close to what he has
http://m.ebay.com/itm/251172954710?nav=SEARCH
And i think his on ID2000's

Tmnjlb123

Is the pte 6262 63 to much turbo? And not good for street?

SilverEK96

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Speaking from experience, the 6262 isn't the worst or the greatest turbo for a street car. I had the 4 bolt, A.R. 63 exhaust housing and spool wasnt to great on the street. I was hitting full boost somewhere right around the 5k rpm area. On the highway it did get up and go pretty good. Based on my HP goals that were 400 to 450 on pump and 500 on race gas. This turbo was way to big for my goals. I think this turbo will be good for you wanting to reach your high HP goals, but not your low as it wont be as responsive.

Tmnjlb123

Ya i would like something more responsive

Schister66

Since you're on stock sleeves, you should realistically limit your goal to no more than 500-550whp. At that power level with the right setup, you have a chance of making it streetable.

IMO: Find a Borg Warner S259 and push it until you're satisfied. Its not a huge turbo so it can be street-driven just fine, but it flows enough to put you over the 500whp mark. Just remember, you're asking a lot of a sub 2.0L engine ... you will have to compromise between responsiveness and high end power. Personally, I would give up the "big numbers" in order to have a setup worthy of daily driving.

Tmnjlb123

Is the turbo made by borg warner or bullseye brand?

Tmnjlb123

Is this a good turbo and the one your taking about? Anyone run these on there setup before or running them now?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/111448854186?nav=SEARCH

Dark_Teg

You will need a T4 manifold.

MrChenzo

What injector size and fuel pump size are y'all running in the 500hp range ? Just curious and is that with pump gas or E85 etc ...

Tmnjlb123

We'll right know I am running a t3 t4 on a ram horn manifold so I think that it will also fit and I am running rc injectors and I believe they are 440cc or 550cc on a walbro fuel pump and I want to run 93 octane pump. There is no fill stations here in vermont for e85 but I wish there was cause I would be running that.

Schister66

If you currently have a T3/T04, you're running a T3 turbine (exhaust) and a T04 compressor (intake). The turbo you posted is a straight T4, which will not bolt up to your current manifold.

This is what you're looking for: BorgWarner S200 Turbo - Full-Race.com

And as far as injector sizing, you can get a rough idea of the size you need by using the 6cc/whp guesstimate.

If you're shooting for 500hp on pump/race gas, the equation is as follows:
500whp x 6cc/whp = 3000cc total flow
3000cc / 4 injectors = 750cc injectors (at minimum)

If you run E85, it requires 30% more fuel so the 6cc/whp factor becomes 6x1.3 or 7.8cc/whp. The equation for E85 is below:
500whp x 7.8cc/whp = 3900cc total flow
3900cc / 4 injectors = 975cc or ~1000cc injectors (at minimum)

Tmnjlb123

Ok thank u for the help i appreciate it

Tmnjlb123

Why is that turbo on full race so
Much more expensive
Then the one on ebay?

Schister66

Because the one on Ebay is not the same as the one in the link - different compressor housing, different turbine wheel and housing. For a real S256, you should plan for $1000-1200...the same as any other good turbocharger (eg. GT(X)30r, GT(X)28r, etc) and I would avoid buying parts on Ebay...check out www.hondamarketplace.com instead

Tmnjlb123

Do you know if i can still run a 3inch downpipe and u said i would have to change manifold also?

Schister66

If you run the turbo listed in YOUR link, then yes, you would need a different manifold. I think this is a bad option. There are several T3 flanged turbos that would suit your needs better than the T4 flanged S200 you posted.

Yes, you can run a 3" downpipe with that turbocharger. The S256 .70ar (which i used to run on my daily GSR) was a 3" V-band. If you have the money, the v-band is a really nice option...no more fighting with those stupid downpipe bolts

Here are a few pics of my old S256 .70ar v-band and 3" ss downpipe. Manifold is an SLS Prototype

Tmnjlb123

I think i will try to go with the $1000 one u showed me , so u ran that same one from full race u showed me on your daily driven gsr? How much whp where u making bud?

Schister66

You dont have to buy through Full Race...it was the first place that came to mind. I actually bought my S256 from a HT Sponsor/Vendor username TurboDano. I'm not sure if he's still around or not...

Anyway, my setup was a built, stock sleeve 9.8:1 LS/VTEC (GSR head - B18A bottom end, LS Crank) on E85 and at 16psi, it made 385whp/280wtq. It did make ~500whp, but the boost controller I was using kept spiking and wasn't holding steady, so it was removed. I had planned to retune for more boost, but sold the car before that happened (in 2010).

I originally bought the S256 because a local friend of mine did some of the preliminary testing for Bullseye when the turbo was first released. -----> Bullseye Power

Once you hear how that turbo sounds, you will understand why i promote it so much...it also performs well