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Old Jul 24, 2011 | 05:02 AM
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Hey guys I'm finishing my build and my goal is upward of 700 hp, jus wanted opinions on if the setup is proper for this,
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83mm sleeved b18c1
LS crank
Cp 9:1
Manley h beams
Supertech valvetrain and valves
Bc stage 2 n/a cams
Victor x
70mm tb
Afi topmount
Afi backdoor cooler
Turbosmart 45mm wg
Turbosmart 50mm bov
PTE 6765bb t3 .82 a/r
Aem water meth
ID 1000's
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Old Jul 24, 2011 | 06:06 AM
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looks good to me

im not sure about n/a cams myself but someone else can help out in that area im sure

im also assuming your running gas for fuel
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Old Jul 24, 2011 | 06:48 AM
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how you going to fuel that puppy? as of now its not going anywhere lol. make sure you are flowing enough for your goal.. it also depends on what gas you want to run, c16, e85, pump?

the tranny is gonna be crying at that power. it wont take long.. just saying

is this gonna be a daily? im guessing no.. you should get a journal bearing instead of bb, spend the money somewhere else. if your using it drag, you shouldnt be falling out of boost anyways, so to me bb isnt a must for most.
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Old Jul 24, 2011 | 06:51 AM
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Oh sorry I left out fuel, Im gonna use 2 Deatschwerks pumps -8 feed, stock return on 94 oct and 50/50 of water meth
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Old Jul 24, 2011 | 08:04 PM
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everything looks good, but i doubt the car is gonna make 700 with meth injection.
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Old Jul 24, 2011 | 09:50 PM
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i think if you do e85 you would be all set.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 04:37 AM
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I dont think ID1000s will do 700whp on E85, Id bump up to ID2000s
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 04:42 AM
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yeah i tapped out some 1000's at 650 duty was 99.7% lol they were caughing pretty hard lol.

go with some q or c and you will be ok
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 06:08 AM
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if you plan to make 700whp on the dot the ID 1000's are ok but your duty cycle will be close to being maxed. e85 you will need ID 2000's for sure. I would go with C16, with some ID 2000's. Wont have to worry about maxing your fuel out.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 07:40 AM
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We don't have e85 in Canada ( I can use q16. Also the turbo is a t3 .82 a/r is that ok or do I need to go t4?
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 07:50 AM
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t3 will do you just fine. I honestly would get some different cams....blox b, type r, ctr, skunk2 pro1's
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 08:17 AM
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helpfull thread
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 12:18 PM
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E85 fuel will not make 700whp with ID1000s... the ID1600s would do it
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 01:00 PM
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those cams wont cut it... just saying..
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ALL M0T0R
those cams wont cut it... just saying..
I think I'm gonna swap them for sk2 pro 1's.

Also I was looking at ID 1600's but they're discontinued?? so what do you guys think the 1000's should do if I use Q16?
Is there anything I'm missing on the setup?

Thanks guys
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fukenboostin
I think I'm gonna swap them for sk2 pro 1's.

Also I was looking at ID 1600's but they're discontinued?? so what do you guys think the 1000's should do if I use Q16?
Is there anything I'm missing on the setup?

Thanks guys
I have a guy who was making 857whp @ 35psi on pro1's.. he just swapped the pro1's out for my custom cams.
PM 1FASTHF

Should do more whp, at lower boost.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ALL M0T0R
I have a guy who was making 857whp @ 35psi on pro1's.. he just swapped the pro1's out for my custom cams.
PM 1FASTHF

Should do more whp, at lower boost.
he wants to sell them??
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 06:51 AM
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Hey fuken,

Glad to see the DW301s in your build.

If you are needing more out of your injectors for your new power needs, we do have 1300cc B-series injectors which should be enough for your 700whp goal on pump gas at stock base pressures.

We also have a 1500-1700cc option coming soon.

Give me a shout if you'd like to talk about either of these options.

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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fukenboostin
I think I'm gonna swap them for sk2 pro 1's.

Also I was looking at ID 1600's but they're discontinued?? so what do you guys think the 1000's should do if I use Q16?
Is there anything I'm missing on the setup?

Thanks guys
Why? Dont get me wrong the pro1s are a great cam but the bc00012 are also great especially for the money. If your looking for 700whp which can be reached with type r cams which have been proving for many years.

Maybe its a northeast thing because alot of ma,ny,nj are running on type r or bc st2 a/m cams and making well over 700whp. Im saying what anybody is saying is wrong but your cams will make 700whp no prob.
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fukenboostin
Oh sorry I left out fuel, Im gonna use 2 Deatschwerks pumps -8 feed, stock return on 94 oct and 50/50 of water meth
Those cams been making power waaaaay back before all these custom or new cams came out. Pm some guys that was making over 800whp years ago when the market was limited to what was avail. Do what works not whats in bro seriously. There alot of shops and cheerleaders on here that will persuade into buying there product. Do your own r&d on those cams and you will see what im talking about
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by area522010
Those cams been making power waaaaay back before all these custom or new cams came out. Pm some guys that was making over 800whp years ago when the market was limited to what was avail. Do what works not whats in bro seriously. There alot of shops and cheerleaders on here that will persuade into buying there product. Do your own r&d on those cams and you will see what im talking about
I fully researched the bc cams I have, from what I've seen and read I knew they will make power, at that time I could of bought the pro 's but I opted for these, I think I'm just gonna stick with these and make the power. Personally I think it'll make more than 700.

I like when guys like you who give honest opinions, we all know the pros make power, but power was made before the pros were even out.
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 05:30 PM
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Those cam profiles suck, just a FYI.. and you're right, power was being made before the pro series cam out.. but at what cost?

If you could make 900+whp @ 30 psi.. would you take that over 900 @ 35 psi?..

Understand its not just lift or duration that goes into cam profiling,but also Ramp speed, ramp angle. Understand what the motor wants and needs. For a Turbo engine, that actually takes advantage of exhaust gases, you're going to want a good cam, that has a good amount of lift and some duration.. enough to allow the cyls to fill but not so much to where boost is blowing by.
You want a higher LSA on FI cams so you're not bleeding off boost in between the cam lobes. Every car is different but there is a bases to making power at more efficient levels.
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 07:59 PM
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The cams are usually fine as long as you have a set of adjustable cam gears... As long as the tuner knows if the motor wants more or less overlap, especially with that T3 0.82 A/R housing and 65mm turbine. I consider that turbine to be too small for 50/50 water/meth and 94 oct to make any decent power, and more so recommend a 6768 T4 instead.

Up here in Canada, we try to make as much power with limited octane due to insane race fuel prices and the lack of availability. If you do want to use Q16, then you'd probably want to upsize those injectors just to be safe. Q16 is oxygenated, and would probably need more flow to make the same power as non-oxygenated fuels.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony the Tiger
The cams are usually fine as long as you have a set of adjustable cam gears... As long as the tuner knows if the motor wants more or less overlap, especially with that T3 0.82 A/R housing and 65mm turbine. I consider that turbine to be too small for 50/50 water/meth and 94 oct to make any decent power, and more so recommend a 6768 T4 instead.

Up here in Canada, we try to make as much power with limited octane due to insane race fuel prices and the lack of availability. If you do want to use Q16, then you'd probably want to upsize those injectors just to be safe. Q16 is oxygenated, and would probably need more flow to make the same power as non-oxygenated fuels.
You're the one who's gonna tune it, and are you serious about 6768? I think that's way too overboard. You better make me power with this setup lol, if cams don't cut it I'll swap them for pro 1's. Should I 'really' do water/meth? I thought it's whole purpose was so you can get away without race gas
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fukenboostin
You're the one who's gonna tune it, and are you serious about 6768? I think that's way too overboard. You better make me power with this setup lol, if cams don't cut it I'll swap them for pro 1's. Should I 'really' do water/meth? I thought it's whole purpose was so you can get away without race gas
meth cools the injection charge. It's a bandaid for detention on high whp motors, its a good add-on but there's only so much meth/water will do.
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