94CDMeg

ok so i have a jdm h22a which is a closed deck. it still has frm sleeves and all stock internals. but i have herd from a few people that you can run 11psi all day on stock internals in a h22a.

I was wondering if this is true because im pricing how much its all going to be to go turbo.
yes if i had the money id get the block sleeved with forged rods and pistons but i dont.
and if its not rated for that could i just use gold series mahle pistons on the stock sleeves?
im only looking to get 10ish psi at the end of all of this by the way.

one-cam

11psi on stock internals h22a leaves little room for mistakes when ur on the dyno so if u FCK up..

i would suggest putting money into the internals before anything else

purpleh22

With a good tune 10 psi is very workable. A number of turbo 'kits' use 10 psi. I have also seen a few poorly tuned H22s @ 10psi that had ring land probs. and blew their engines.
Mahle golds are getting some good results at higher boost levels, just make sure you have a good tuner and if you need to hone the cylinders, they are done right as per FRM specs.

pcguy760

The PSI not really the only factor you should take into account - the size of the turbo you are gonna use and the amount of Hp you want to make also determines the maximum threshold of the H22. For example, a bigger turbo would push a whole lot more air at 10 PSI than a smaller turbo and make more Hp as well BUT, the stock block with stock pistons has a limit of around 300Hp (safely) I think ...

Another important thing is how you drive your car too which determines how long it will last you, on a stock bottom end and MOST IMPORTANTLY, is how it is tuned. Good luck and if it is done right, even on a stock block the H22A is a beast when turbo'd and tuned right

Evil-EK

I didnt have much luck with my stock block turbo h22 but thats just how my luck goes. LOL I know of several peeps that are running 10-12psi on a dd and have seen no issues. I think in the end it all comes down to your ems and you tuner. If either of those are weak then your motor will suffer.
PM bigblockhatch. His wife dailys their stock block turbo h22 and she BEATS THE HELL OUT OF IT!!!!!!!

jspeedy

I have a h22a4 sleeved block for sale 250.00 plus shipping. The block does need to be deck due to a little unevaness as a result of blown head gasket. I also have a set of rods Ill let go for 150.00 I-Beam fordged made by IB(import builder). I've used this entire set up with 9:1 je pistons and have have no problem 14psi daily on pump gas 20 psi on race gas(112) at the track. AEM EMS. PM me if interested.

jspeedy

Oh I forgot. Its a darton mid sleeve block but as we speak I'm having a golden eagle HD block sleeved and rebuilding for higher HP (600+@28+psi) this would a little to close to the limitations of the block I'm selling for comfort which is 30psi max.

one-cam

dont mean to thread jack but what do u mean midsleeve?

jspeedy

yep my oops.

94CDMeg

wow thanks for all the feed back. i had no idea so many people would have some advice. well i think im fine as far as the block. but thanks tho man, my h22a is closed deck now and ive read as on https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1 he mahle pistions work quite well they also come with new rings. just have to hone the block. and i feel like i wouldnt be comfortable running so much boost on a stock block. like you evil ek, i would probally be the unlucky one that blows up his engine. and as far as turbo i was looking at the garrett GT3076R with a .82 A/R hot side. i feel like its a bit on the larger side but its an inbetween. If i go with rods and pistons then i will be able to turn up the boost to even 20 psi. I am looking at this turbo only if I know im getting the pistons and rods also.
and i have a p28 with hondata s200. i have a local shop that knows how to tune quite well i think. right now hes making a turbo h22 ek, that he hopes will have 500+ hp. Does anyone know of any good shops in Virginia?


Modified by 94CDMeg at 10:57 PM 9/15/2008

94CDMeg

I feel like its better to do it the right way the first time (mahle pistons and Golden Eagle Rods) and be done with it.

Does any one have any knowlege of the Mahle pistons lasting?
or whats a good average time you can run stock internals with 10 psi before detonation with a good tune?
im hoping to make this set up last for awhile with good maintenance

Evil-EK

as far as longevity of your motor on 10psi, its all up to the tuner and ems. If your not too far from the Tennessee state line I know a great shop in kingsport that has a dyno and an AEM certified tech.

purpleh22

The GT3076r w .82 is what I was running on my H22 before I bumped it up to a GT35. I made 465whp @ 17-18 psi. Used a Walbro 255 and 700cc injectors to deliver the fuel. The GT3076 was super streetable with almost zero lag on an H22. With the Mahles, make sure the machinist is aware of the unique honing that is required by FRM cylinders. Much different than standard honing. Mahles seem to work very well if done right and tuned properly.

pcguy760

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evil-EK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as far as longevity of your motor on 10psi, its all up to the tuner and ems. If your not too far from the Tennessee state line I know a great shop in kingsport that has a dyno and an AEM certified tech.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. I am running at 8 PSI with a stock block and putting out like 300Whp - car runs great with zero detonation or such - Like everyone is saying, its all in the tune AND also how good your setup is and you knowing EXACTLY what you are doing when going this route. One mess up and your motor could be messed up for good.

Oh and remember to buy good quality name brand parts.

94CDMeg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by purpleh22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GT3076r w .82 is what I was running on my H22 before I bumped it up to a GT35. I made 465whp @ 17-18 psi. Used a Walbro 255 and 700cc injectors to deliver the fuel. The GT3076 was super streetable with almost zero lag on an H22. With the Mahles, make sure the machinist is aware of the unique honing that is required by FRM cylinders. Much different than standard honing. Mahles seem to work very well if done right and tuned properly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

purpleh22 is your block sleeved?
i know to get the block honed with a special stone. someone told me to take the block to a porche shop because they run the same type of sleeves and might be more familiar with the honing.

94CDMeg

Evil-ek that might be one of the solutions to my shop problem. i found one closer to me and they seem to be a quality shop. http://brauningmotorsports.com/ but if it dosent work out ill be driving to kingsport

94CDMeg

pcguy760 whats your set up if you dont mind me asking.

Evil-EK

From looking at their site they are deff honda guys. LOL I would say if that place is closer then take it there. They have a couple of h22 customer cars under their belt judging from the pics..

94CDMeg

yeh not to mention they make prostock hondas. http://brauningmotorsports.com...2.jpg lol
yeh they sell hondata and aem ems. so i figure they can tune it.
i need to call them, hopefully tomarrow.
ill update tomarrow.

Evil-EK

good luck. I hope you find what you are looking for from these guys. They look legit.

purpleh22

Honing with different stone, different process/pattern etc. Info is available on Honda-Tech. Yes, my block is Darton sleeved. Got it done before the Mahles Gold setup had proven itself.

pcguy760

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Did u get my message?

94CDMeg

ok ill search hondatech for the correct way to hone the block.
and yeh i got your message thanks man appreciate it.

94CDMeg

yeh i hope they can help me out with this build and give me some advice on all of this.
i couldnt call them today.. i had work till too late, but hopefully i can call them tomarrow.

94CDMeg

ok so i talked to brauning motorsports, they seem very confident in their work and are very friendly. i talked about my options as far as sleeving, stock block, or trying to run the mahle pistons and he gave me a great opiton. he said that he could have another h22a sleeved for me for $100 a cylinder and that he would swap that block into my car and keep the block i currently have. that way i get a sleeved block for quite cheap and my car wont be down for the entire time the block is getting resleeved. he said it is so cheap because the block is already closed deck and the company he sends the block to would only have to sleeve it.
he gave me his personal opinion on rods and pistons and said that i should install new stainless steel valves as well.
and they can tune hondata, aem ecm, and a few other comapnies, on top of that they are licensed distributors of all those products.
he said that they have done numerous turbo h22s