is this possible
I know everyone is gonna try and tell me that BG do us no good, but then explain why golden eagle and inline pro make them

also i plan on swapping my head for a built one, this is when i planned to install the head, I have been reading that cyl walls get egg shaped and need to be honed but the issue seems to be quality and brand (STR, Nuformz, etc)

how does the GE work, do i have to have a hone- if so i will ditch the BG.

 

correct me if i'm wrong...
honing only prepares the surface for rings,
don't you want the sleeves machined to be round?

 

The blockguard will NOT egg shape cylinder walls when installed correctly. Simply tap it in. If it does not go in easily, DO NOT force it, file fit it.

 

When you install a block guard you want a tight fit so that it does not move around in the water jacket. Since metal will contract and expand when heated it would be best to measure the cylinder bores with an inside mic at different levels in the bore. Having an out of round cylinder will create major problems due to rings not seating properly. Why risk all these potential problems. Just do it right the first time.

 

I currently have a built bottom end with forged internals- just no sleeves so this is why i dont feel like pulling the motor and"do it right the first time"

Ryan200civic: i have been readin up on several old threads- It seems like in the past you were against BG now you support them if i file it and it fits well? can you help explain more?

 

they amke them for a simple reason....to make money. at the point were it would really be doing anything for you, your stock sleeves would have cracked already. same reason brembo makes drilled rotors, they are a good company, but they make a product that people think will work, when in all actuality really just costs more and works worse than a blank rotor.
if a block gaurd really helped, then explain this

 

so you are telling me to scrap it then...

 

I use one, and my car sees 20 lbs on pump gas on a regular basis...decide for yourself...

 

see sooo many mixed opinions... i guess if it fits nice and clean ill go with it but if i have to press at all ill get rid of it. for poor info--

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95gsrturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ryan200civic: i have been readin up on several old threads- It seems like in the past you were against BG now you support them if i file it and it fits well? can you help explain more?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would like to see these old threads. I have never been against blockguards.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98gsrTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they amke them for a simple reason....to make money. at the point were it would really be doing anything for you, your stock sleeves would have cracked already. same reason brembo makes drilled rotors, they are a good company, but they make a product that people think will work, when in all actuality really just costs more and works worse than a blank rotor.
if a block gaurd really helped, then explain this


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Blockguards are not a bandaid for poor tuning and neither are sleeves.

 

right on

 

honing only cleans up the sleeves

 

blockguard not needed. If you dont want to sleeve then run the car as is, keep a good tune and be a little more conservative IMHO.

 

even with a perfect 12.1 A/f sleeves are known to give way, shift, crack at higher HP levels, i plan to break 350 if possible

i know people have done this on stock sleeves but i didnt want to chance it- i was looking for extra insurance.

anyother advice... there is no way possible to rehone- i cant pull the motor , dont have time to spare its all gota be done in a day....


more suggestions

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95gsrturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even with a perfect 12.1 A/f sleeves are known to give way, shift, crack at higher HP levels, i plan to break 350 if possible
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What do you want then? Power or reliability? You want to push the sleeve limits yet can't put the time in to do it right? Don't see the logic of pushing the motor when you know if might fail. Sleeve it! If you can't bring yourself to tune it conservatively now to say 280-300 at the wheels in hopes of it lasting, then make time.

JMHO Good Luck

 

First off, 280-300 is wayy too conservative for forged internals.
350whp with a safe, rich, tune and no too much timing will be fine for your sleeves. Don't risk screwing anything up by installing a blockguard.
Also, if you had to hone the cylinders, you would have to remove the pistons and rods anyway, right?

That blockguard in the pic may have helped not spread the crack in the sleeve, I know when I cracked mine it looked a helluva lot worse than that.

 

The block gaurd did its job in the image , the crack stops at the gaurd instead of f'n up everything around it too!!!! run it for extra protection...

kinda like double bagging!


Oh an about Brembo, shut up! drilled rotors are not for every condition, they are proven to be highly effective in releasing gases and reducing temp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98gsrTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they amke them for a simple reason....to make money. at the point were it would really be doing anything for you, your stock sleeves would have cracked already. same reason brembo makes drilled rotors, they are a good company, but they make a product that people think will work, when in all actuality really just costs more and works worse than a blank rotor.
if a block gaurd really helped, then explain this


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i got like 9 friends doing 16psi daily on GE blockguards and they run fine....and 2nd of all...that picture is not even a golden eagle BG

 

so my inclination is this

once i get the head off- if the BG fits right in without trouble and just mild pressing by hand ill use it

if not and i have to press hard or use a hammer-- its gonna be sold to someone who can take the time to hone--

and if thats the case ill only shoot for 300+ and ill keep it safe until i getout of school , then ill sleeve it.

thanks guys- more info is still appreciated if you feel like you can help. this has been great so lets keep up the discussion for others. also - if it falls in easy then it should be no prob right?.. well you know what i mean -- not easy but relatively easy

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95gsrturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so my inclination is this

once i get the head off- if the BG fits right in without trouble and just mild pressing by hand ill use it

if not and i have to press hard or use a hammer-- its gonna be sold to someone who can take the time to hone--

and if thats the case ill only shoot for 300+ and ill keep it safe until i getout of school , then ill sleeve it.

thanks guys- more info is still appreciated if you feel like you can help. this has been great so lets keep up the discussion for others. also - if it falls in easy then it should be no prob right?.. well you know what i mean -- not easy but relatively easy</TD></TR></TABLE>

what is the rate of expansion of a blockgaurd?

this is the reason i dont believe in blockgaurds, the rate of expansion is different the sleeves and cast block.

 

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Blockguards are not a bandaid for poor tuning and neither are sleeves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

YEP! poor tuning will kill anything

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95gsrturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so my inclination is this

once i get the head off- if the BG fits right in without trouble and just mild pressing by hand ill use it
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Have fun with out of round cylinders.

 

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Bullshit. Show me proof that blockguards cause cylinders to be out of round.

When properly installed they WILL NOT MAKE CYLINDERS OUT OF ROUND. Why is everyone so thick-headed about the myths they read on Honda-Tech. Have you ever even tried using a blockguard?

 

im making 400hp with my stock sleeves using a block guard,
let a machine shop install it for u