ok guys,dont say to me to use search,cos i did that.now i dont understand.which year of suzuki vitara's has got those nice g16 pistons that can holp up big amount of boost? the were many years of g16b engines.so from which i can use them? i will buy used pistons,cos new ones cost like 300 $ here.so can anyone help me,and the real year of suzuki's ,which ones i can its pistons?

 

Pm FJT he can hook you up.

 

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Or you can get some good forged pistons instead of doing a half *** build with vitara pistons.

 

money is problem man,if i could spare 500 $ ( 350 for pistons + shipping to me ) i would buy forged without question,but i cant spend that much on pistons so...

 

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Thanks for your input.


I liked my vitaras. There is nothing wrong with those pistons. There has been some decent numbers made. Seriously there aren't TOOO many d-series guys going for over 300Hp, so these pistons are a good alternative.

 

Well if your spending the money on forged rods, bore/hone, machine work, etc... might as well do it right the first time. No sense in building your motor and have the pistons be the weak link.

If your just trying to do it cheap then go for it. Just don't expect a lot out of them.

Stock d-series pistons with lower compression like the vitara's could get you 300whp (people get 300whp on stock c/r too). I don't see the point in buying vitaras.

I'm all about saving money, but building a motor with these pistons is retarded when you won't get much more than the stock pistons would.

 

I understand your point completly, but building with forged pistons, then doesn't get you very much more without concerns about the block really.

 

my goal is like ~240-270 whp daily driver on ZC.i will use LS rods.and i am not sure if my stock pistons would handle boost like 15-19 psi

 

I'd like to see more people shooting for 300whp on stock blocks. I wonder how reliable it really is. A few people have done it and haven't seemed to have many problems.

 

well, rods woulnt handle for sure, so LS rods' swap must be done.if going on stock pistons, i would need to drop compresion ratio from 9.5 to ,lets say , 8.3 maybe or so? how big head gasket i would need for that?

 

tuner toy rods and vitara pistons will get you cheaply into the 300 and safely. atleast thats what i came up with when doing some research on ht

 

Unless you know somebody that does machine work and you can build the motor yourself, going with vitara's and LS rods probably wouldn't be that cheap.

I'm sure your goals will change also.... 240-270 will be fun for a little while, but everybody always wants more.

 

To the critics.....the whole point is that these vitara pistons are stronger than stock. That's all anyone cares about.

 

How so? People have made over 300whp on stock d16 blocks. It's not like the vitara pistons will hold anymore than that.

 

i believe BBKA is correct here. i think 308 is the record for a STOCK BLOCK (rods, pistons, etc)

and the most ive seen on vitara;s is right around that.

 

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Do you know how far the tunertoys can be pushed? I emailed them and they said they were good for over 500hp. I thought eagle rods were only good to around 450.

 

i dont think that all D-series motors has the same limits.yes they do,but its kinda +-20 whp.what i am sure about,that zc rods must be changed.pistons is big question. 300bhp is the mark,which you get cheap,if you i will go for like 400-450,the price will double,so bbks,i am staying at 300 bhp btw,as you said,308 was the record,and it had super tuning.i think many vitaras had 300 as i have read.my tuning will not be that superb that would make records.i think i will go with TURBOEDIT,which isnt the best choise...


Modified by doncez at 9:17 PM 11/29/2005

 

if you get a set of vitaras you need to know this:

1. you will get alot of blow-by unless you use rings other than the hastings that come from fjt..I am not saying that the rings are crap, just that the ring gap is on the very far end of ring gaps specs..

2. if you use the hasting rings, make sure the ring gap is placed on the exhaust side, this will greatly reduce blow-by and help your mpg

3. spend the time to sand down the tops as smoothly as possible..this will decrease your charge density factor and decrease detonation and allow better tuning

good luck..

and i would definitely order from tuner toys..he has great customer service and runs what he sales

 

heres are the cheapest d16 rods I have ever seen and look like the same ones Tuner Toys sells..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem

 

People use vitaras because they are stronger than stock

People use vitaras because when you pop a block a need a cheap rebuild, $125 for pistons and rings is ******* cheap, and the pistons are more boost friendly than stock

Saving $300 on your build definetely doesnt hurt. I mated mine to some eagle rods and arp bolts for a grand total of $325, awesome

 

any problems,if i will use vitaras with stock honda piston rings?

 

Vitaras are great. The low compression and well designed piston makes detonation non existant ona good tune. I always hear about people grenading stock D series from doing 4th and 5th gear pulls which doesn't surprise me but I can do a 10 psi pull in 5th gear and the 8:1 compression loves every second of it. Also, there are a lot of opinions in here about people that don't have the vitara pistons so... you really don't know what you're talking about.

 

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Agreed! I have built a few team mates blocks with these and the all feel 10x better than they did stock, maybe this is because we weren't/aren't the best tuners and with the stock stuff it didn't run as well but the same people tuned both so go figure only thing we changed was pistons,( shot peened and polished rods on 2 of em) and new bearings thats it so I like em

 

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Well i dont want to sound like a d*ck but these kind of comments start to irritate me..Its unbelievable how after all the work, research and even me putting the pistons and showing the results and giving you guys the info people still say this.

My "half assed" build runs low 12's everyday on 93 pump gas on a NON vtec motor with stock head/cam/valvetrain on a relatively small turbo....contrary to some other "nicier" builds that dont even do that time on VTEC heads..which are supposed to be the **** .. and it was cheap. For the price of 1 set of just forged pistons i can get 3 sets of vitara pistons and rings..lol.. and i've seen a lot of guys blowing their CP's,JE and Wiseco pistons just because of a bad tune...They spend LOTS of money on pistons to blow them on a half assed tune..whats the difference then? i prefer to get cheap and reliable piston with a good tune that will last(hello!!! almost 1 1/2 yr boosting daily above 15PSI 24/7)

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To answer your question they come in the 96-00 Vitara(NOT the Grand Vitara). 1590cc engine, 75mm bore,16 valves..
Make sure its a 16 valve motor cause there is another vitara engine that is just 8 valves..those wont work and they re anyways 74.5mm
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Nope..you can use them with OEM honda rings..the Hastings i sell are for Honda pistons, not vitaras but they work.

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1. you will get alot of blow-by unless you use rings other than the hastings that come from fjt..I am not saying that the rings are crap, just that the ring gap is on the very far end of ring gaps specs..

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Strangely i dont get any blow by at all..I do get some now that i need to change my HG cause it going.. I dont run a catch can either but the PCV is left open to air.


..Sorry for the harsh words, i guess im not on a good mood today..

 

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Well i dont want to sound like a d*ck but these kind of comments start to irritate me..Its unbelievable how after all the work, research and even me putting the pistons and showing the results and giving you guys the info people still say this.

My "half assed" build runs low 12's everyday on 93 pump gas on a NON vtec motor with stock head/cam/valvetrain on a relatively small turbo....contrary to some other "nicier" builds that dont even do that time on VTEC heads..which are supposed to be the **** .. and it was cheap. For the price of 1 set of just forged pistons i can get 3 sets of vitara pistons and rings..lol.. and i've seen a lot of guys blowing their CP's,JE and Wiseco pistons just because of a bad tune...They spend LOTS of money on pistons to blow them on a half assed tune..whats the difference then? i prefer to get cheap and reliable piston with a good tune that will last(hello!!! almost 1 1/2 yr boosting daily above 15PSI 24/7)
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Not trying to be a dick either, I am just being realistic. Let's be honest here though, 12.4 is what you ran right? That is not a low 12... that is mid 12's and my heavy *** coupe ran 12.6 on the stock block. So our cars run about the same times... mid 12's. Personally I think if you have a built block you should have no problem running into the 11's... if stock d-series blocks in hatches are running 11's, there should be no excuse for a "built" block to run 12's.

I just haven't seen anything that impressive about these pistons. The low cost caught my eye at first, but then I thought about it and realized it's not worth it to rebuild your block just to get "close" to 300whp and "maybe" high 11's.

Oh and I am defintely all about being cheap. My whole turbo kit was $1100, but when it comes to some things (bottom end parts) I'm not going to half *** it just to save a few bucks. I just think in the long run it would be a better idea to build the motor once and not have to worry if the pistons will handle it. I have said this before if you lower the compression on the stock honda pistons they will handle as much as the vitaras.