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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 12:24 PM
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I'm planning to go with boost by next year, and i was wondering what you guys think about this setup so far. Also any suggestion would help.

B18c1 block: 82mm GE sleeve, JE 10.1 piston, GE rods and stock crank

B16a1 head: turbo port and polish, bbk IM, 70mm prof. product TB, 1000cc RC injectors

Turbo kit: Garrett T3/T61, ramhorn mani, tial wastegate, tial BO

I have the complete Ferrea valve train. Heres the spec for the valve spring: seat press-80 lbs @ 34mm, open press-195 lbs @ 24mm, max lift-13.5mm

One question is what kind of cams should i go with? I have Skunk2pro2 but my original plans were to use these for my N/A setup. I havent heard of anyone using these for boost.
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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ek-Xang
I'm planning to go with boost by next year, and i was wondering what you guys think about this setup so far. Also any suggestion would help.

B18c1 block: 82mm GE sleeve, JE 10.1 piston, GE rods and stock crank

B16a1 head: turbo port and polish, bbk IM, 70mm prof. product TB, 1000cc RC injectors

Turbo kit: Garrett T3/T61, ramhorn mani, tial wastegate, tial BO

I have the complete Ferrea valve train. Heres the spec for the valve spring: seat press-80 lbs @ 34mm, open press-195 lbs @ 24mm, max lift-13.5mm

One question is what kind of cams should i go with? I have Skunk2pro2 but my original plans were to use these for my N/A setup. I havent heard of anyone using these for boost.
Seems like a stout set-up, im putting together a similar build. Id say go with ID 1000's for injectors though. They idle like it's stock and ive heard of 0 issues to this day with these injectors...

What kind of power you shooting for? Power band? Track car? Street car? Both? Turbo selection will depend alot on the questions above.
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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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yea this is a pretty big set up so i want everything to be perfect. I was planning on selling these injectors and go with ID's bc of all the good reviews. I'm shooting 350-400whp. I think ill keep this as a street car for now and eventually make it both street and track. what kind of cams are you running with your set up?
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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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Seems like a stout set-up, im putting together a similar build. Id say go with ID 1000's for injectors though. They idle like it's stock and ive heard of 0 issues to this day with these injectors...

What kind of power you shooting for? Power band? Track car? Street car? Both? Turbo selection will depend alot on the questions above.
yea this is a pretty big set up so i want everything to be perfect. I was planning on selling these injectors and go with ID's bc of all the good reviews. I'm shooting 350-400whp. I think ill keep this as a street car for now and eventually make it both street and track. what kind of cams are you running with your set up?
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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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yea this is a pretty big set up so i want everything to be perfect. I was planning on selling these injectors and go with ID's bc of all the good reviews. I'm shooting 350-400whp. I think ill keep this as a street car for now and eventually make it both street and track. what kind of cams are you running with your set up?
I was planning on just running some simple s2s1's but my head wont be nearly as built as yours. Near stock itr head with a built short block is my plan. Shooting for 450-500whp high boost, 325+whp off the wastegate "1bar". For these <500whp goals i dont think a aggressive cam is needed at all, lots of guys making gobs of power on stock oem cam's. It dosnt hurt but dosnt seem "necessary" from most the builds ive seen.

You going to run pump gas or e85? If pump what octane? Got a good tuner lined up? 10:1 isnt anything crazy but id still make sure you have a solid tuner lined up, im shooting for a similar compression ratio for mine as well due to the fact im running a t4 turbo a little help spooling the hair dryer will be nice for street use.

It seems like your doing it right the first time, keep us posted! What kinda fuel management are you going to be running?

Im sure some of the other guys can chime in on your cam selection with some good info.
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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 09:42 PM
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I was planning on just running some simple s2s1's but my head wont be nearly as built as yours. Near stock itr head with a built short block is my plan. Shooting for 450-500whp high boost, 325+whp off the wastegate "1bar". For these <500whp goals i dont think a aggressive cam is needed at all, lots of guys making gobs of power on stock oem cam's. It dosnt hurt but dosnt seem "necessary" from most the builds ive seen.

You going to run pump gas or e85? If pump what octane? Got a good tuner lined up? 10:1 isnt anything crazy but id still make sure you have a solid tuner lined up, im shooting for a similar compression ratio for mine as well due to the fact im running a t4 turbo a little help spooling the hair dryer will be nice for street use.

It seems like your doing it right the first time, keep us posted! What kinda fuel management are you going to be running?

Im sure some of the other guys can chime in on your cam selection with some good info.
I'm shootin for the same Hp as you on high boost 400-500whp on E85 and 350whp with pump gas, and i got this water/methanol injection kit from AEM. On the street, i think 350whp is plenty in a Honda.

For fuel so far i have aeromotive Stealth 340LPH In Tank Fuel Pump, BDL fuel rail, AEM fpr,and AEM fuel filter. ID 1000cc is next on the list. thats all i can think of unless I'm missing something.

I'll keep this updated on the setup and maybe some pics too when the engine is being put together.
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 03:10 AM
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sell the pro2's and get some gsr's for 50$

spend the money you earned towards the id1000's
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If you havent p[urchased the turbo yet think about getting somethign of a newer design. Thats and old design wheel and there are much more effecient and better spooling wheel designs out there. The skunk2 cams are overkill for that setup as well. stock gsr itr cams will make plenty of power or the skunk2 tuner1's
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 06:38 AM
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I'm shootin for the same Hp as you on high boost 400-500whp on E85 and 350whp with pump gas, and i got this water/methanol injection kit from AEM. On the street, i think 350whp is plenty in a Honda.

For fuel so far i have aeromotive Stealth 340LPH In Tank Fuel Pump, BDL fuel rail, AEM fpr,and AEM fuel filter. ID 1000cc is next on the list. thats all i can think of unless I'm missing something.

I'll keep this updated on the setup and maybe some pics too when the engine is being put together.
Sounds like a lot of effort to switch between pump and e85, especially if your running the aem water/meth kit. Personally i would choose 1 or the other and stick with it. Either run e85 only or run the highest octane availible in your area "91-93" with the water-meth kit. Sounds like it would be a major hassle to drain and re-fill just to switch to e85..and then not using the water/meth while on the e85...seems like overkill and you dont want to over-complicate the simple things or you"ll have a bigger headache in the end....

Just my opinion, im debating the same thing right now. I have an aem bnib meth/water kit but debating on running 93 octane with the kit for all boost levels or going e85. Downside for me with e85 is the nearest station is a 20 minute drive, granted its a weekend warrior id imagine after its done ill drive it alot more than i think. E85 is the better choice of the two but for my situation i have a feeling that "20" minute drive will grow old quickly. Either way i would just choose 1 or the either.
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wolve
sell the pro2's and get some gsr's for 50$

spend the money you earned towards the id1000's
yep i got the the S2Pro2 posted up for sale today and that money is going towards the ID's 1000.
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 09:17 AM
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If you havent purchased the turbo yet think about getting somethign of a newer design. Thats and old design wheel and there are much more effecient and better spooling wheel designs out there. The skunk2 cams are overkill for that setup as well. stock gsr itr cams will make plenty of power or the skunk2 tuner1's
I do have a peak boost kit ready and actually i think i do also have a set of gsr cams laying around in the garage. My question is since my valvetrain is this upgraded. do you think it will effect the stock gsr cams in anyway?
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 09:27 AM
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Sounds like a lot of effort to switch between pump and e85, especially if your running the aem water/meth kit. Personally i would choose 1 or the other and stick with it. Either run e85 only or run the highest octane availible in your area "91-93" with the water-meth kit. Sounds like it would be a major hassle to drain and re-fill just to switch to e85..and then not using the water/meth while on the e85...seems like overkill and you dont want to over-complicate the simple things or you"ll have a bigger headache in the end....

Just my opinion, im debating the same thing right now. I have an aem bnib meth/water kit but debating on running 93 octane with the kit for all boost levels or going e85. Downside for me with e85 is the nearest station is a 20 minute drive, granted its a weekend warrior id imagine after its done ill drive it alot more than i think. E85 is the better choice of the two but for my situation i have a feeling that "20" minute drive will grow old quickly. Either way i would just choose 1 or the either.
I think you do have a point right there. Switching out pump gas and E85 would be alot of work and time. Good thing i do have an E85 gas station only about 5mins away from my house. I kno E85 do put out more power than pump gas but how much more better is it than pump gas? Besides this car will only be my weekend warrior.
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i thought the b18c cams were good for boosting already...
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 07:15 PM
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e85 is not bad. i have ran it for 3years now. i would go with 9:1 pistons though and deff go e85. why **** around with pump. my hatch is a weekend machine made 450 on 18psi. if you can get itr cams man. also i have rc1000 and they idle fine dude.
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
If you havent p[urchased the turbo yet think about getting somethign of a newer design. Thats and old design wheel and there are much more effecient and better spooling wheel designs out there. The skunk2 cams are overkill for that setup as well. stock gsr itr cams will make plenty of power or the skunk2 tuner1's
For sure. the 6262 does good man
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 09:51 AM
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e85 is not bad. i have ran it for 3years now. i would go with 9:1 pistons though and deff go e85. why **** around with pump. my hatch is a weekend machine made 450 on 18psi. if you can get itr cams man. also i have rc1000 and they idle fine dude.
Wow so if i would run on e85 it would make more power at lower boost? That could be a plus. I also heard it burns cleaner too. I do only live about 5 mins away the an E85 gas station.
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 02:58 PM
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I will probably try these itr cams since there is a big different in the in and ex cam lift.

ITR
Intake valve lift (mm) 11.5
Exhaust valve lift (mm) 10.5

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Intake valve lift (mm) 10.6
Exhaust valve lift (mm) 9.4
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I have had really good luck both on mine and my buddies turbo GSR's with Bisimoto 2.4 turbo camshafts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZo_2aLw0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFLOeD4-e8o
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 06:06 PM
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Wow so if i would run on e85 it would make more power at lower boost? That could be a plus. I also heard it burns cleaner too. I do only live about 5 mins away the an E85 gas station.
it does burn clean yes. also it gives you a wider window if you happen to lean out ect. and the itr cams do fine. no need for skunk2s and those unless your going for alot of power. my motor made 550with itr cams when it was in my friends car
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Originally Posted by Julio@Bisimoto
I have had really good luck both on mine and my buddies turbo GSR's with Bisimoto 2.4 turbo camshafts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZo_2aLw0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFLOeD4-e8o
Bisimoto lvl 2.4 turbo cams VS. ITR cams. They're around the same price. I kno the ITR is not difficult to tune with the the hondata s300 but if i run Bisi lvl 2.4 cams is it compatible with my s300 and are these cams hard to tune?
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For sure. the 6262 does good man
hahahaha.. interesting.
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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 11:33 AM
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I made up my mind and OEM ITR is what i'll stick with. Haven't heard anything bad about them and idk how hard it is to tune the biso lvl 2.4 cams.
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I can keep the bisi lvl 2.4 cams in mind for my next setup tho. This setup is gonna be my fun car for the street.s lol
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hahahaha.. interesting.
Those videos are interesting lol
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