Here's a Quick Q?
Having a Hard Time Getting Traction when Full Boost Kicks In. @ 5 1/2K
Current Tires: all 4 F&R Tires Falken Azenis 205/50/15 80% Tread. (Yokohama Parada Style) Not the new Azenis.
When I was N/A the Motor couldn't handle the Stickyness of the Azenis and now w/Boost it Roasts the Azenis...
The Power is Good but w/Spinning Tires....No Good...
What are some options for this Issue?? Wider Tires??
1) 215/50/15 or
2) 220/50/15?
This is a Street Car...So no Full Blown Slicks.

 

bump , would like to know also since i'll have the same issue

 

Wider tires won't help with tractiion.

 

LSD or I see alot of ppl running 225/50/15's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wider tires won't help with tractiion.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why?

 

you need a thicker sidewall so it can expand more. Think about slicks you dont seem them with thin sidewalls, same thing goes for street tires....... you dont want to go huge but you dont want to go to small either.... 225 would help out more then you think.......

 

225 50 15 bfg, 235 60 15 bfg or MT radial do pretty good. Im currently using 235 60 MH dots really would depend oh how much power u make

 

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your contradicting yourself....

first you say thicker sidewall

then you say the wider tire will help out more....

 

thats not contradicting himself, its just saying 2 different things.Both of wich I would imagine would help with tracttion.

U have to remember though, when u go with a taller tire u are going to compromise the handling charecteristicts(lol) of the car.So be careful in choosing a tall tire.

 

you want a taller tire that way it will expand more I have the same problem with mine and also a LSD will make a world of difference a 225/55/15 should help out more then you think

 

whoever said wider tires wont make a difference is a moron. it wont make a HUGE difference, but every little bit will help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zeroice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need a thicker sidewall so it can expand more. Think about slicks you dont seem them with thin sidewalls, same thing goes for street tires....... you dont want to go huge but you dont want to go to small either.... 225 would help out more then you think....... </TD></TR></TABLE>

do you have anything to back this theory up?

 

I say look into these: LSD, traction bars, stiffer springs, prothane bushing replacements for the suspension, sway-bars. high grip tires.

 

I see two things here. First, what power are you putting down? Over 280-320whp your going to have traction issue with normal street tires (ie. not slicks nor DR's). Secondly I have fixed a lot of traction issues for people by smoothening the power transition into boost. Most people retard timing and richens A/F's too early leading to a sudden power change and then overwhelming the tires. If you have under 280 ish whp you should have no problems in 2nd gear with nice 205 street tires. Above that I have have had great success with 225/50/15 BFG Drag radials. Plus they last about a season which is nice. Even first gear grips very well

 

modulate the throttle

 

I think taller tires help more because you're reducing the gear ratio not because they expand more

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98_4drCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whoever said wider tires wont make a difference is a moron. it wont make a HUGE difference, but every little bit will help</TD></TR></TABLE>

I said that, after taking 3 years of physics and getting my EE. Wider tires don't improve traction, despite popular h-t belief.

College professors love teaching that fact because they know all the students will argue about it.

 

How wouldnt they help? Their would be more tire to overload...I see alot of top fuel drag cars running steelies now and days ya know. *sarcasm*

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I said that, after taking 3 years of physics and getting my EE. Wider tires don't improve traction, despite popular h-t belief.

College professors love teaching that fact because they know all the students will argue about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So what are you trying to say here?

That the larger contact patch (more traction/friction) is cancelled out by the change in wieght per square inch (pressure holding the tire to the road) as it is decreased by the spreading out of the weight on the larger tires?

 

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So what are you trying to say here?

That the larger contact patch (more traction/friction) is cancelled out by the change in wieght per square inch (pressure holding the tire to the road) as it is decreased by the spreading out of the weight on the larger tires?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah. But it's not really a "cancellation". There's actually a perfect inverse relationship between the area of the contact patch and the weight (psi) acting on each square inch of contact.

But wider is still better with slicks because the tire compound is so sticky that the friction is based more on the tire grip than the weight of the car. Slicks are actually wider than regular tires for a bunch of different reasons. Heat dissipation, tire longevity, and track stability come to mind.

People just see wider tires on race cars and automatically assume it's for traction. Don't forget, the average human being is very weak and stupid. Combine that with the honda-tech passion for spreading myths and you'll understand why people get misled.

 

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College professors love teaching that fact because they know all the students will argue about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I remember learning about that in physics too. Too bad theoretically almost never applies to real life.

Look at any sports car, they all have wide *** tires in the rear (if they are RWD). I guess you better go tell Porsche that the wide tires on their Carrera GT aren't helping them any...

 

Are they worth getting if in the 200-230 hp range?

 

since u got azenis already.. u should just learn how to drive ur car. i have the same problem and im all motor (vtec pops and i break traction like a ****). dont have problem anymore after learning how to drive it better. ALL MOTOR LSvtec 2.1!!

 

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Yeah, I remember learning about that in physics too. Too bad theoretically almost never applies to real life.

Look at any sports car, they all have wide *** tires in the rear (if they are RWD). I guess you better go tell Porsche that the wide tires on their Carrera GT aren't helping them any...</TD></TR></TABLE>

What, did you completely ignore my last post or what? I said there are a bunch of reasons why wider tires are used. The most important benefit is handling. They also dissipate heat better and last longer.

 

I know your problem, its called front wheel drive.