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Old 01-29-2003, 04:55 AM
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my EGT gauge shows 1600f at boost 15psi while the Air\Fuel ratio is showing rich (Green), So is ok or what?

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Egt temps are kinda like a bell curve. Too lean and you'll run hot. Too rich and you'll do the same. You need to find out what side of the curve you are on. Also the Autometer AF guage is not an accurate too to measure by.
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you mean too lean you wil drop temp and too rich will be the same
whats the maximum temp. JE pistons can handle
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Being too rich can yield a high EGT.
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good piont
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Also if the timming is reallt retarded your EGT's will be considerably high.
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Being too rich can yield a high EGT.
Umm i believe its the same if you're running too lean. Correct me if i'm wrong, please.
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Sorry, what I meant to say was that being too rich can also yield a high EGT.
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so if you get high EGT temps whether your mixture is rich or lean, what is the point of an EGT? Lets shed some light on this subject, and please, only purposeful, factual information, if you aren't for sure please include: "what I heard is:" or the like, don't state it as fact unless you KNOW!

From what I heard, a normal EGT is around 800F. My project is still a few weeks out so I don't know what normal EGT's will be!
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whats the maximum temp. JE pistons can handle
It's really not a question about what temps the pistons can handle, but what the head can handle. Once things get too hot, valves start to melt and bad things happen.

Here's what I have about EGT's saved in my Notepad here on HT. Forgive me if I don't give credit to who authored it, but it was so long ago that I forgot.

There is a gross amount of misinformation floating around about exhaust gas temperatures. I have posted many times explanations to EGT questions. But it seems the search feature here tends to overlook them for whatever reason. I have found an excellent article done by the fine folks over at Simple Digital Systems. It is written in plain English, and is 100% correct. The link is http://www.sdsefi.com/techegt.htm and for those of you that are lazy to click, read below and learn!
There seems to be a lot of mystery and misinformation about using exhaust gas temperatures to tune engines. Claims by many EGT gauge manufacturers about it being the best way to tune an engine must be qualified. The BEST way to tune an engine is on the dyno- PERIOD. What EGT is good for is a reference for where the engine made maximum torque at wide open throttle. Once removed from the dyno, a similar air/fuel ratio can be established a later date by dialing in the mixture to achieve the target EGT. It is really the AFR that is important, not the EGT. Most engines will make maximum power at an AFR of between 11.8 and 13 to 1 however, the EGT may vary from 1250F to 1800F and is dependent on many factors.

It should be mentioned that the target EGT is valid only on the same engine configuration as was used on the dyno. If you change the ignition timing, cams, pistons, headers etc., the optimum EGT may also change. Raising the compression ratio with no other changes will drop the EGT at the same AFR. Retarding the ignition timing will generally raise the EGT at the same AFR. One engine might make best power at 1350 degrees while a very similar engine might be happier at 1500. You can't guess at this or you are simply wasting your money on the instrumentation. Wankel engines have higher EGTs than comparable piston engines due to their lower thermal efficiencies. 1800F is not uncommon here.

Some gauge manufacturers say you should tune to achieve maximum or peak EGT for maximum performance. This is incorrect. Peak EGT generally occurs at an AFR of around 14.7- 15.0 to 1 on gasoline. This is far too lean for maximum power and is dangerous under continuous WOT conditions. Many people think that the leaner you go, the higher the EGT gets. This is also incorrect. Peak EGT occurs at stoichiometry- about 15 to 1 for our purposes. If you go richer than 15 to 1, EGT will drop and if you go leaner than 15 to 1 EGT will ALSO drop. It is VERY important to know which side of peak EGT you are on before making adjustments. It is safe to say that peak power will occur at an EGT somewhat colder than peak EGT.

You can sometimes feel a lean of peak condition as the mixture is hard to ignite and power will be down a bit as well. Once the AFR gets close to 17 to 1 at WOT, generally the engine will start to lean misfire. Most tuners always recommend to begin jetting or programming from a known very rich initial setting and carefully leaning until torque falls off slightly, then going back richer to the point of max torque. Note the EGT at this setting. Be aware that altitude, barometric pressure and ambient air temperature may affect this optimal temperature to some degree.

Are EGT gauges better than AFR meters? Conventional narrow band oxygen sensors and digital LED meters are not the best devices to measure AFR in the richer ranges but they certainly warn of a too lean condition immediately and obviously, without translation by the driver and they are affordable. Meters combined with wide band sensors are laboratory quality usually, highly accurate and useful but very expensive and sometimes bulky. EGT gauges have the limitations above and are generally priced between the other two. I would suggest that the two types are complimentary. EGT gauges have the advantage of working long term with leaded fuel which will clog oxygen sensors. EGT gauges are widely used to set mixture on engines used for steady state high power applications where operation has been carefully documented such as in aircraft. The choice would depend on the application. Both are better if you can afford them.
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Default Re: Egt ? (shamoo)

I read that before and I could have sworn it said too rich will give you a high EGT.......I guess not. Sorry for the bad info!
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