i was think about purchasing a eagle stroker kit. i am going to be boosting my car on around 10 psi. i have searched the topic and have found that the new rod ratio can tear apart rod bearings. is this a real issue? also i have stock sleeves that need a bore and hone i was wondering if i should bore 10 over and leave the sleeves stock or go 20 over and use a block guard to compensaete for the added force being added to the cylinder walls now with the greater stroke? i have searched about block guards and have my opinion so please dont state your opinion on block gaurds thanks. so is the stroker kit the way to go its come with pretty much everythng for the bottom end?

thanks for your input

 

If all your looking to make is 300hp then a stock stroke honda crank is more than up to job.Just get a set of forged rods and pistons and skip the crank.

 

ya but that stroker kit is easy horsepower for jus lil more of a price. and my crank might be bad its at the mechine shop waiting to see what i want done. i was jus thinkin that the stroker kit would be the way to go for easy numbers and more torque and spoilng faster even.

 

I bought one, and it sucked. They shipped the wrong rods initially and the pistons sat way down in the hole. When I asked for the specs on the pistons they couldn't help me.

 

**** if your only going to run 10lbs, why even bother getting a stroker kit..
i can see if your going to go all race and make like 500+whp then yeah go for it..
if your crank is bad then just get a new/used crank and then do what ever you have to do with the block then put her all together.. it should be ok..
block gaurd i've heard good and bad but if you do get one then get it put in before you bore out the block.. the block gaurd distorts the walls..good luck on you build

 

thanks fo rthe input still deciding

 

the stock stroke will make way more torque than you will probably be able to hook up anyway. at that boost and power level, it isnt worth it. i.m.o.

 

but other than the company not giving you your specs performance wise it was good or not? and yes i kno if i want 300 hp it easy to do without one. im more interested in what people think about there stroker kits and what not. and anything time in running boost you re gonna have problems hooking up. nothin traction bars and slicks wont cure.

 

well if u do get it, and decide to go NA, u would be set.

 

rather than wasting your money on the stroker crank, buy a set of pistons and rods...you'll be able to make more power that way....

 

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The rods were good, once they finally sent me the right rods, and the crank was good ( I got a 95mm crank for a Dart tall-deck setup), but the JE pistons were crap. The car never made the power that I wanted and the fuel requirements were messed up because it was so inefficient due to the crappy pistons (note: I'm not saying JE pistons are crap, they may be great pistons, but the ones that Eagle sent with the kit were very poorly designed). I eventually chucked them and got a set of custom Wiseco's made, much better performance.

If you have a stock Honda block though, I don't think that a bigger crank is going to net you enough results to be worth the $, especially if you are boosting it. Use your GSR crank if it's good (or buy an LS crank if it's not), get a set of Eagle rods, and spend the money you saved on a really good set of pistons because that will make a significant difference.

And yes, using a big stroker crank does generate more side load, which can cause problems if you have anything go wrong:

 

I agree with the stock stroke method. Its more then enough, and no sense in upping the stress level to the block with adding a big stroke.

 

agreed...you can get some custom pistons and typical rods for the same price or less than the eagle stroker..and have better results. Really..how much torque are you wanting??? I mean, street setups or mild/moderate setups are gonna make enough torque to lose traction in at least 2 gears, and sometimes all the way to 3rd...

B16 Crank - 170-190ft/lbs
GSR Crank - 190-220ft/lbs
LS Crank - 220+ft/lbs

Just get the LS Crank if you want some more torque. There is enough torque to be had w/ an 89mm crank to make your car see nothing better than 14 secs w/ street tires. Besides..didn't anyone tell you how well-designed the Honda cranks are? That's the best and least tampered w/ part of a Honda..

 

i whole kit comes with je pistons eagle rods bearings rings pretty much everything for like 200-300 dollars more than he would spend we have figured it out but even for 200-300 dollars more you wouldnt recommend it?

 

bump, still thinking about the kit

 

Keep things simple....

Just out of curiosity, what does the Eagle stroker kit change the displacement to? For the amount of money you'd spend on that you could simply have the block sleeved and throw in a set of 84mm's and have a 2.0. No bullshit block guard, no bullshit stock sleeves, and a no bullshit motor that you can throw 600+ to without second guessing things.

 

If he goes with the 95mm crank and stock 81mm bore then its only 1958cc. But if he bores it out to the max 85mm he can get 2157cc.

Its def not worth the complication and money unless your going all out, which your not.

 

sleeve the block run the stock crank and get a set of off the shelf cp/wiseco pistons with eagle rods or pauter if you want to go nuts and you could easily exceed the capability of that stroker kit on the stock sleeves.

i think everyone here has suggested you not buy the kit so its pretty obvious what you should do here.

 

well all you guys are jus telling me not to cuz i can get sleeves for that much. but i havent ordered pistons yet and the stroker kit comes with everything so really im jus in it like 400 bucks or so and you get way more torque with the kit cuz it puts it to like a 2.1 liter. so i jus honestly wanna kno if those kits are bad or what? cuz people said its harder on the sleeve cuz its going down further bc of the stroke but really i mean the piston pivots so it shouldnt hurt it at all i jus thnk its an exuses bc people didnt tune or put it in right

 

I'm tuning a tall deck Dart 85mm 95mm stroker next weekend. I will post my thoughts and some datalogs. I tuned a very similar setup a while back but the motor had so many problems from the assembly, direct port nitrous, gas he had in it, etc.

 

if you sleeved the block to 84mm it might only be a 2.0 liter but its capable of making a ton more torque than a stock sleeved stroked block. im making 413ft lbs and could make more than 500ft lbs safely on my bottom end with a stock crank. try doing that on stock sleeves.

if you wanted a stroker kit on a sleeved block then thats a different story, many would still suggest the stock crank anyway though because of the proven reliability of the stock crank even at high hp levels 800+

 

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That's right, even though everyone here has told you it's not a good idea and why, don't listen to those haters, buy that thing! Slap it together and fire it up! Good luck.

 

i jus dont have money to do sleeves and i dont have pistons yet plus living in billings,mt theres no one that outs those in. and thats why i am looking at a stroker kit cuz it comes with a full bottom end basically

 

I think everyone here (including myself) is trying to help you get the most power and reliability for your buck$.The stock honda crank is a strong reliable part.Many people have made well over 600hp reliably.For your goals a stock ls or gsr crank will do the job.A gsr crank and rods with a set of forged pistons will more than do the job.There is more power in the turbo selection,and tune than crank stroke or bore size.
With that said it's your money.If your looking for someone here to say that a stroker crank is the best thing since sliced bread you probably going to be disappointed.

 

I hope it works out for you. I really wanted to do a tall deck 95mm stroke turbo motor, but had problems getting custom rods or anyone to play ball on a turbo piston with a raised pin. So, I went back to an 89mm stroke, added length to the rod and used stock comp ht pistons, so basically its a long rod LS. Oh well.