My friend just picked one up for $80 bucks for his custom turbo kit. Good buy for now until he can upgrade to something better. Anyone here use on or currently has one? Anyone have pics of it on thier car? Any tips for running the hardpipes in a effective direction? He is putting it on a 5th Gen hatch. All your help is much appreciated guys.

 

either direction should work, unless they have a different inlet and outlet sizes.

in that case, smaller one is your inlet and larger one is your outlet.

the problem is the piping on top of it, you'll need to re-route it to where the endtanks are on each side, there are no rooms on you rbumper support for it

 

This is mine. I have mounted it for test fitting--no problems, it can be used in conjunction with the bumper support. I also did the mods to it myself using good ol JB weld.

 

How much are people boosting with this intercooler?

 

A friend has one on his 240 with a SR20DET..... no problems yet.

My friend did mention that there are 2 different ones to get. Not sure which was batter (and one is better).

he had the shop that made his intercooler piping... weld new inlet/outlet piping on the unit to make it work with his front end.

Will

 

The newer ones are better to get. It's a decent intercooler, a great buy for the money.

 

I ran a Starion IC on my old '98 Civic EX w/ the Greddy kit and on my '00 Si w/ the Greddy kit as well. The IC definately did it's job. I ran the piping kind of differently, the right endtank ran down directly below the length of the core and over to the left, then the left end tank just shot straight out to the left.(not sure if that makes any sense)
I had some pics but the host is all jacked right now!!
M

 

No offense but that cooler is a piece of crap. I wouldn't use it no matter how cheap it is. It truly doesn't perform that well at all. Why did you use JB weld for the pipes? JB weld most likely won't hold up to higher pressures and will fail very soon overtime. That was a bad idea. I would have just taken it to the local muffler shop and had them weld the pipes on for about 10 bucks at most and then you have a sound mind.

The pressure drop over the Starion IC is unbelievably high, I don't know how many times I have to say it. If the IC has a 4psi drop and you try pushing 7psi now you will have to push 11psi just to get the same pressure, at 11psi the air is much hotter. Perhaps the addition of a FMIC helps a little to cool that charge but any even half way decent FMIC will perform 2x as well as that one.

 

**** it, it works, its cheap, use it till it breaks.

 

can you find a "even 1/2 way decent fmic" at the local salvage yard for ~$50?

thought so.

Will

 

Honestly why the **** are you on a honda board? I havent ever seen you post anything worth while for any honda enthusiast to look into. Dont come here and try to bust ***** on my IC or anyone elses. I dont care if you have a DSm. Those cars are the biggest POS's I have ever came across. I am gonna go off and say **** off and take your POS exprerinces with your POS DSM cars and take your **** to another board. I am so tired of seeing you whine about hondas and how much better your POS is. ****, screw off jackass...........
if you have nothing positive to add for any of us, then stay off our board.
Look at the posts, many people have had good luck with these IC's, maybe since certain diamond stars came turbo charged then these IC's arent any good---maybe for our cars they are.
Damn Im pissed, its almost like a Supra guy coming here and saying "Well, my car runs 13's stock" **** off *******. I dont even give a **** if my user rating goes down, Im tired of seeing you post here.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

easy rambo... don't mind him!! have a on me!

 

hes not trynna clown..if u read on dsm pages..a lot of guys are suggesting with the mods u pay from welders for that ic..plus some of the prices people charge for them now..u better off spening like a 100 bucks more on the cheapest universal spearco which will outflow it.

 

[QUOTE]Why did you use JB weld for the pipes? JB weld most likely won't hold up to higher pressures and will fail very soon overtime. That was a bad idea. I would have just taken it to the local muffler shop and had them weld the pipes on for about 10 bucks at most and then you have a sound mind.
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JB weld is actually really strong, I have fixed a broken motormount with it. The motormount finally failed about 3 months later when it cracked in a different place. I don't recoment using JB well for motor mounts, or intercoolers, of really anything for that mater. However your comments are completly worthless and show a total lack of knowledge, and make you look like a moron.

Partical filled epoxy's actually can be stronger than steel. bozo

 

Sickem LSivic!

Damn dirty DSMs!


[Modified by mplex2000, 4:54 PM 3/22/2002]

 

Not flaming

First off, JB weld is extremely strong. I've seen some techs use it to mend parts on an actual block with no problem.

The IC is aluminum. You can't use a regular mig welder to weld the ends. Unless you have a aluminum welder, you ain't welding it. And most muffler shops don't have aluminum welders. The pipes used are aluminized steel.

As far as efficiency wise, why don't you come up to MD and see how efficient that IC. I'm using it boosting 12psi daily.

And lastly for someone on a budget trying to piece a turbo kit, that makes an excellent IC. Not everyone has deep pockets to spend.

 

I agree that using JB weld was a hack job.

But...

The starion intercooler DOES NOT have a pressure drop of 4psi.

I am using this on my setup.

Before I ran the IC, I saw 10.2psi.
After IC, I saw 9.5 psi.

Where the hell did you get those stats??

The IC is relatively straight through with not very big volume. There are a lot more IC's that have a way worse Pressure drop.

The IC is really the best IC money can buy. I bought mine rewlded with NO bent fins for 150 bucks.

When you compare the 150 bucks against the 1200 bucks of other IC's, especially for something that does a very simple job, the reasons for buying one are VERY CLEAR.



[Modified by Bryson, 11:03 AM 3/22/2002]


[Modified by Bryson, 11:03 AM 3/22/2002]

 

Take a look at the tables at the bottom of this article. It has stats on a bunch of different factory equipment intercoolers. The Starion/Conquest IC looks like it comes out in the top 5.

http://www.merkurtech.com/?dir=magar...&page=icprimer

Certainly there are plenty of aftermarket IC's that could do better (at a cost!) but based on the stats given in the article I'd say it's definitely worth ~$150 to take over 100 degrees off your intake temp! (The stats have the Conquest/Starion IC taking ~170 degrees off of a 293 degree compressor outlet temp at 20 PSI of boost!)

I think it's the way to go for the budget FI racer!



[Modified by 5 Liter Eater, 3:46 PM 3/22/2002]

 

easy there, no need to get angry btw dsm's will wax most hondas/acuras for equal money spent. not that i like dsm's but c'mon man, it's got a factory turbo. btw i think your ic looks nice, i dont know what it flows or how long the jb weld will last but hey all that matters is your happy w/ it.

 

i use jb weld type stuff on my oil return line flange. works great!!

 

I did the same thing, but the flange really isn't a load berring peice as the IC Inlets are.

Hell If he's happy with it Power to him

 

16g-95gsx, I think you're bringing some of the starion intercooler hate over from DSMTALK.COM. A starion intercooler isn't as efficient as a real FMIC, like a spearco, but it's not a waste of cash. It isn't really an upgrade if you have, say an Eclipse, but for a low buck custom kit it works.

 

The starion is great! I've used it for 12psi daily in my 5g hb. It was pretty simple to mount just a _| shaped bracket for the top and a -- on the bottom and screw it onto the chassis. If I didn't have access to an Al welder I see no problem with JB weld.

It'll do ya good until that one day you find an exceptional deal for another ic.

 

I see some people here have some hard feelings. Personally I think the ones here who have just tried to put some major marks towards my name are a little immature. I think you personally are the ignorant one as you are sitting here literally doing nothing but bashing. I don't claim to know everything but I do try to give help when I feel it's needed. Take my advice or don't, but I see no reason for the comments you have made. You are saying that I do nothing but bash Honda's but find me these posts where I do nothing but blatently bash Honda's? The only posts that I have even praised DSM's are the ones where people are asking "what car should I get for 3000" or something similar. And personally whether you want to hear it or not a 1g AWD DSM is the best money spent out there in the import world as far as performance. You can buy an old CRX, perform an engine swap, and then FI it, and then what? You have spent quite alot of money and you will still be behind the AWD 1g DSM in performance. I didn't make that post up there to bash Honda's and I am not making this one to bash Honda's either. All I was saying is that there are other IC's out there that provide better results and still cost the same amount. If you don't want to believe me then that is fine, I really don't care as you just bashed me and I would actually enjoy to see you stay with your ignorance. I mentioned that an IC is very good for a forced induction project, I just don't believe for the money this one is the best. You can get a good FMIC core from Spearco or Griffen for 300 dollars even, and I can almost guarantee you it would blow the Starion cooler away.

I am glad to see that there are some guys on this board that don't share in the quick mouthed ignorance that you displayed. I have noticed that it is usually the ignorant ones that take such offense when someone tries to guide them a different way.

 

yeah, I just picked up a Starion Intercooler as well today for $80 off of a guy localy. He was going to put it in his Miata, but he ran out of $. Anywho, he already cut the pipping and re welded little pieces on, but I have a feeling I'll need have it redone once I get my car.

Is it wise to have all new endtanks built or just have the pipping CUT and plugged, and weld on new pipes on each side? Either way, I will most likely be designing it and having a good muffler shop do all the welding.

-ryan