D16 Eagle rods help
 

Can anyone that has a D16 Eagle/TT/SCAT rod take a measurement for me?

I need to know the H beam Beam width...How wide it is? In inches or milimeters.. Im doing a project and it is important that i know this measurement.

I know one side of the beam is 22.81mm or .898" but i need to know the measurement of the other side.

Please help.. Thanks.

Re: D16 Eagle rods help (fjt)
 

I'm pulling my motor Sunday hopefully, thats the earliest I could get you a measurement. You are referring to the side that faces forward/rearward, right? Or the flat face that faces the flywheel/timing belt?

Re: D16 Eagle rods help (fjt)
 

@19/32nds on the front to back of block side - @31/32nds for crank seal to rear main side. @2 29/32nds for the bottom crank side width. @1 5/32nds for the wrist pin side width. hope this helps. i did not have a mic at home, just a ruler. but i still have the rods out!

Re: D16 Eagle rods help (BOOSTEDFERIO)
 

Measuring the Vertcial part of the "H" it is .922 in.

Measuring the Horizontal part of the "H" it is .607 in.

Re: D16 Eagle rods help (Tippyman)
 

yeah its the flat face of the Beam that faces the flywheel..

i thought you came out with your own rods and they were like way too big? lol

can we say overkill and unecessary?

https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/...Comparison.jpg

They are being re designed as we speak.
Theyre big for D series but not for B series.

Thats part of why i need the measurement.

That was a sample rod..Yes theyre overkill for D series but for b series they will be fine.. These are for High Hp setups..lol the eagles look like a toy

Re: (fjt)
 

I measured mine for you. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

eagle rods have been proven every day on high hp b series. why fix it if its not broke?

Re: (Got traction)
 

i put eagle h-beams in my d16 and just to make sure there was enough clearance, i removed some of the material around the bottom of the sleeve and top plate to make sure there was enough clearance. i have a video of the clearance, but dont have access to it right now.

Re: (Got traction)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Got traction &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">eagle rods have been proven every day on high hp b series. why fix it if its not broke?</TD></TR></TABLE>

True... But will you rather pay less from a rod that WILL handle more power than eagles w/o any added weight and without having to pay $500+ like other high hp rods from any other manufacturer?

How much does a High HP H beam rod cost from Manley/Pauter/Crower?

tell me that


BTW: the pic posted is a D series Eagle Rod (top) VS this company D series Rods(that for now i will keep it for me) .. Oviously for D series this rod is Massive and overkill, it handles waaaay more power than what can be attained on a D series engine... Thats why it needs to be modified to suit more the actual demand , but this same rod for B series its perfect.

Let me ask you something..in case of the D series..Would you pay $300 for eagles that handle 600whp..or would you pay $250 for a rod that will work the same or better than eagles and will handle 600+ whp?

YOUR RODS are gonna ROCK my next build im sure to buy a set https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif +100 to you man.. keep it up.. it wont be long and your gonna see some 600-700 whp d-series coming out of the works just gonna take money and guts to push it.. somone needs to make an aftermarket head like the domestic boys for the d then we can flow better than a stock b head and make the power we need

the physical size of the rod only plays a small part of how strong it actually is.

Re: (paulzy)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by paulzy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the physical size of the rod only plays a small part of how strong it actually is.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, but it sure helps. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Seriously though, i'm sure if he's going through all this trouble, he is going to make sure they are of the right kind of metal and properly forged.

Re: (Tippyman)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I measured mine for you. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emdgust.gif , you measured your rod for him ?

they are forged 4340 steel...just like Eagles

Re: (RCautoworks)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RCautoworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emdgust.gif , you measured your rod for him ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lol, yeah and it was only .922 x .607 inches... https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emsad.gif

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fjt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they are forged 4340 steel...just like Eagles</TD></TR></TABLE>

so, if you're using the same material, then bigger can only be better!

FJT is gonna end up being the "baller on a budget" supplier for 2008. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif I've already gotten my pistons/rings from him. Maybe my next build will be completely suplied by him.

here's another pic..
https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1187887101
https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1187887165

^ how much are those rods gonna be in price??? how much mod to the block will it need??? if any...

Re: (crazykamper)
 

I would def. buy these rods for my next build, as long as someone uses them before me https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: (93supercoupe)
 

yeah i wanna get a set for my sleeved d16z6 block

well gentlemen this is not a for sale post.. i would like to keep it technical..Price hasnt been established yet as it depends on many factors but they wont cost more than Eagles..

The rods will be modified for D16 engine since right now its huge and it will require more notching than eagles..So it will be modified to be close to Eagles spec but handling more power at a cheaper price..They will probably lighter than eagles too...Right now, as fat as it looks, they weight the same as the smaller Eagle rod so even though they are fatter there is no extra weight for the rotation assembly.

I will also be bringing an I- beam for D16 that will work specifically for Vitara pistons..Bringing the piston up flush with the top of the sleeves and proviving more Compression on d16 engines (Around 9.1-9.3:1

pretty neat huh?

Re: (THEDirtyDseriesWOOT)
 

Speaking of aftermarket heads I am in the works to see how much it would cost to have a set of rotary heads R&D'd for hondas... I would own that corner in the market if I did..

Right now I am just working on building up a venture presentation to find finantial backers.... currently am gathering as much info about the honda aftermarket parts sales as I can; helps to have actual #'s to throw at backers.

Re: (JaredKaragen)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JaredKaragen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Speaking of aftermarket heads I am in the works to see how much it would cost to have a set of rotary heads R&D'd for hondas... I would own that corner in the market if I did..</TD></TR></TABLE>
what? did you just say you're trying to find a way to put a rotary head on a honda?

Re: (CivicVX94)
 

make it for the D then we could flow our asses off

Re: (THEDirtyDseriesWOOT)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by THEDirtyDseriesWOOT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">make it for the D then we could flow our asses off</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol i want to see this presentation https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

let me have the experimental head..

Re: (fjt)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fjt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The rods will be modified for D16 engine since right now its huge and it will require more notching than eagles..
So it will be modified to be close to Eagles spec but handling more power at a cheaper price..They will probably lighter than eagles too...
Right now, as fat as it looks, they weight the same as the smaller Eagle rod so even though they are fatter there is no extra weight for the rotation assembly.

pretty neat huh?</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is the only concern i see with your idea
i just checked with my caliper and my eagle rods are 23.99mm wide
i have notched 4 D series for having eagle rods on them.
i have also seen blocks being notched wrong and the notch has been grinded so deep, it has made it to the water jackets.
i wouldnt make your rods any wider than the eagles, or you run the chance of the average builder will run the chance of having this issue.
if you dont think this is an issue, you can see this on the the old one's website

Re: (USDM 4G VTEC)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by USDM 4G VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

this is the only concern i see with your idea
i just checked with my caliper and my eagle rods are 23.99mm wide
i have notched 4 D series for having eagle rods on them.
i have also seen blocks being notched wrong and the notch has been grinded so deep, it has made it to the water jackets.
i wouldnt make your rods any wider than the eagles, or you run the chance of the average builder will run the chance of having this issue.
if you dont think this is an issue, you can see this on the the old one's website</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is exactly my point.. I will modify these rods to be the exact wide as eagles/Scat/TT.. Just the D series Rods, B series will stay wider to support more power(750-800whp)...

In addition as i said..I am already working on an I beam design for D series specifically made to run vitara pistons on D16 with these Characteristics:

** Originally the Vitara piston does not comes up flush to the top of the cylinder(with Eagles or any other manufacturer Rod with standard D16 rod length) thus lowering Compression to 8.5-8.9:1 depending on head & Headgasket..in the case of A6 heads its 8.0:1. With the modification of the rod it will bring the piston up in the cylinder to create a higher CR ratio of around 9.1 - 9.3:1 on Z6 engines and around 9.5:1 on Y8 engines.

** With the I beams i am looking for NO notching of the block or in the case of notching, very minimal.

** A lighter rod.. Eagles/SCAT weight around 500 grams, i am looking to get an I beam(and H beam) that weights less than that. Actually the Eagle rods in the picture i posted weighed 520.63grams (1.15lbs) on a difgital scale at UPS this was with the ARP 2000 bolts installed. The fatter rod(my rod) weighed on the same scale 498.95grams w/o rod bolts.Once the rod bolts are in it should weight almost identical.

** I beams that support 500+whp on D series and that the cost is still VERY attractive(under $300)

The next step after these are finished and produced is to create the Much acclaimed D15 rods https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (fjt)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fjt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The next step after these are finished and produced is to create the Much acclaimed D15 rods https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

now that's a rod that will def. sell. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Not a lot of people make those!

Re: (Tippyman)
 

subscribed

Re: (fjt)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fjt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I will also be bringing an I- beam for D16 that will work specifically for Vitara pistons..Bringing the piston up flush with the top of the sleeves and proviving more Compression on d16 engines (Around 9.1-9.3:1

pretty neat huh?</TD></TR></TABLE>


https://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l...op/d16rods.jpg


glad to see you are using my idea from your post on Turbod16.com!! do i get any royalties? haha, joking. or maybe not!

^ i like that idea from turbo d16, but then again, i have no vitara's or anything to begin with, haha

Re: (hybridmoments)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridmoments &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


https://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l...op/d16rods.jpg


glad to see you are using my idea from your post on Turbod16.com!! do i get any royalties? haha, joking. or maybe not!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats why i made that post, to hear ppl ideas and concerns about rods to be able to satisfy a specific market. I am trying to incorporate different ideas into these rods and other members also expressed their concern about raising the CR a lil bit.

OK, I'm an idiot.

I was reading the micrometer the wrong way.

The face of the rod that faces the crank pulley is .951".
The face of the rod that faces the dipstick is .607".

Right where the wrist pin goes thru:
1.104"
.717"

Re: (Tippyman)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tippyman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, I'm an idiot.

I was reading the micrometer the wrong way.

The face of the rod that faces the crank pulley is .951".
The face of the rod that faces the dipstick is .607".

Right where the wrist pin goes thru:
1.104"
.717"</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats better https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (fjt)
 

yeah i shyed away from the vitara setup simply due the the low compression.
so i ended up with SRP's and Eagles for $650 total. but it will be around 9.2:1 on my setup.

make those I beams asap. i can still return my srp/eagle setup and buy the Long I beam/vitara setup
and if they were about $400 total it would be a steal.

Re: (CivicVX94)
 

Coates Spherical Rotary Valves,

Imagine a head with no oiling syatem up top, no cam, and no timing belt. A timing chain with close to zero stress on it, and bearings in the valves and dry timing chain area that never need servicing. Chain replaced every 1 million miles or so... The bearing surfaces are a special teflon impregnated stuff... lasts forever.

Just by changing out the heads on a SBC, and removing the cam, they got +250HP!


http://www.coatesengine.com/images/c...gine_r3_c5.jpg
http://www.coatesengine.com/en....html

Re: (hybridmoments)
 

hey vitara guy lol

send me a set. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif im willing to try them on my new d16 setup (not vitara though) https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif aiming for 450 this time.

Re: (JaredKaragen)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JaredKaragen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Coates Spherical Rotary Valves,
Imagine a head with no oiling syatem up top, no cam, and no timing belt. A timing chain with close to zero stress on it, and bearings in the valves and dry timing chain area that never need servicing. Chain replaced every 1 million miles or so... The bearing surfaces are a special teflon impregnated stuff... lasts forever.
Just by changing out the heads on a SBC, and removing the cam, they got +250HP!</TD></TR></TABLE>
When you first said rotary head, I thought you were talking abou rotary engine heads, like off a 13b or something.
Regardless, good luck selling a single one of those few thousand dollar heads to broke dick Honda guys when you can make over 500whp fairly easily on a stock b series vtec head and with some headwork make more power than ever necessary.
The main market for something like that would be for dedicated race cars and I'd bet that an aftermarket head like that wouldn't be legal for sfwd.
It's still cool tho https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif