PM me with a price

 

they are electromotive coils, used with TECIII. this is why i dont run the system anymore



it runs a 60-2 crank trigger, which in theory should work very well, but no matter how we mounted it, even moutning it on the inner most side of the pulley.....anything above 600whp the car would start missfiring.

here was the solution. tony's T1 Cam Trigger Kit (everybody on honda-tech should have one ) it made 2 years of my problems go away. very first pass with it on there was a 9.8 @ 152

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they are electromotive coils, used with TECIII. this is why i dont run the system anymore



it runs a 60-2 crank trigger, which in theory should work very well, but no matter how we mounted it, even moutning it on the inner most side of the pulley.....anything above 600whp the car would start missfiring.

here was the solution. tony's T1 Cam Trigger Kit (everybody on honda-tech should have one ) it made 2 years of my problems go away. very first pass with it on there was a 9.8 @ 152

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nice

 

Joe you got 42R now?

 

that T1 set up looks clean. im just afraid to use the inexpensive CDI's, dont think the hardware is very capable of being reliable. problem is i cant afford motec! maybe the msd digital-7, but thats up there too.

 

i had a 42r on the car i was borrowing, i already gave it back so im done for the year

i run a digital 7 with AEM now, and have had zero problems with the set up

 

You dont have run motec with his setup. you can get M&W cdi from Tony1

 

I'm having some extremely odd ignition issues and I'm at the point where I'd rather buy an AEM EMS, and COP setup just to eliminate the problem.

I know with the COP setup it will usually run about $1,500.00 to get the coils, CDI pack, and an AEM EMS. Are there any other more cost effective ways of upgrading the ignition?

I'm currently using the MSD 6AL, Blaster Coil, and MSD wires with NGK plugs BRK7E-11s gapped at 19 and at 630whp I break up a lot up top.

Even on low boost, for some reason, I always break up at around 6300RPMs and my tach signal goes out. There has to be a link between these two problems, because it also loses tach signal on the dyno. See pics below.




As you can see, there's a loss of signal and that's where the car breaks up. Fresh plugs help reduce the breaking up, but not entirely and it always comes back. When using older plugs, it doesn't even rev past that point, and feels like it's hitting a wall.

Upgrade to the MSD Digital 7 before trying COP? Is AEM EMS the only way to effectively run a COP setup? Would Hondata be able to support it?

Any tips would be great!

 

t1 sensor and a M&W pro 10 is what my car is getting for next season

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not COP, but no distributor either. BTW this set up is no longer on my car. figured i'd post it since its a little differnt.

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Tec3 Electromotive, nice, but there an economical way of duing a coil pack system, and not spending $800-$2000? I wounder if the coil packs off the 240's would work, any link that shows a how to? I'm interested in learning more, but don't know where to look.

 

the coils isnt the problem with the stock honda stuff.......its the ignition pick up that sucks. you pretty much have to run tonys trigger kit in order to get it to work. then an ignitoin box, and an EMS that can controll it.

i run a single channel ignition box and still use the stock distributor (unplugged) to distribute the spark. i think it works pretty good lol

 

 

 

What EMS's can take advantage of this? Standalones only like AEM?

 

AEM, Electromotive, any EMS with separate coil outputs, which excludes chipped Honda ECU's.

 

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you should be able to run the cam trigger setup on an oem honda ecu? the msd distributer is supposedly a hall effect dist. and it work on oem ecus ??

inform me if im wrong ??

 

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The MSD distributor uses a Hall Effect sensor to generate triggers, but it generates the number of triggers in the volage range that the OEM ECU is expecting. I think that's , 1 (TDC), 4 (Cylinder Position), and 24 (Cam Position). It generates them in a way consistent with the inputs on a Honda ECU, unlike the Tony1 setup which only generates two signals, neither of which would mean anything to a Honda ECU.

So yes, you are right, you can use different triggers on a Honda ECU, as long as you engineer them to be compatible.

As far as I know you still can't use COP with a Honda ECU, because you need something with individual coil outputs to trigger the individual coils and a Honda ECU only has one coil output.

 

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The MSD distributor uses a Hall Effect sensor to generate triggers, but it generates the number of triggers in the volage range that the OEM ECU is expecting. I think that's , 1 (TDC), 4 (Cylinder Position), and 24 (Cam Position). It generates them in a way consistent with the inputs on a Honda ECU, unlike the Tony1 setup which only generates two signals, neither of which would mean anything to a Honda ECU.

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ahh, i see. thanks for clearing this up.

 

What are the trade-off with running COP over a Dizzy?? Run better? Worse? Easier to tune? Harder??

 

I originally went to COP because it was missing a bit a 20+ PSI of boost. It does make it idle smoother, and you'd have to ask Jdogg if it's easier to tune.

 

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Ok. Is the spark more intense and accurate with COP? I have noticed alot of OE manufacturers have switched to COP. Better fuel economy because of the better burn?

 

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Ok. Is the spark more intense and accurate with COP? I have noticed alot of OE manufacturers have switched to COP. Better fuel economy because of the better burn?</TD></TR></TABLE>


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1344468

 

Has anyone used the AEM cdi

 

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I've used about 6 of them! They RMA them pretty readily though, and I haven't blown up the new Twin-Fire box yet.

 

So AEM fixed the problem that the old CDI had? How long have you had that Twin-fire?