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Old Feb 24, 2003 | 12:59 PM
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Default Comparing two fuel setups....Need Input

I'm debating the following fuel setups, both involving the S-AFC.

*Apex'i S-AFC, 310cc injectors, Vortec FMU w/ 8:1 disk, inline fuel pump

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*Apex'i S-AFC "hack", 450cc dsm injectors, resistor box, inline fuel pump.


What are the pros and cons of each setup? thanks.
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Old Feb 24, 2003 | 01:12 PM
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*Apex'i S-AFC "hack", 450cc dsm injectors, resistor box, inline fuel pump.
More tunable and adjustable. Might want to get an intank fuel instead.

*Apex'i S-AFC, 310cc injectors, Vortec FMU w/ 8:1 disk, inline fuel pump
fuel is dependent on the FMU. not really tunable. What are you going to use the S-AFC for?
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Old Feb 24, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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Old Feb 24, 2003 | 04:36 PM
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I have a vortec fmu for sale
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Old Feb 24, 2003 | 04:40 PM
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i own the vortec fmu, with 12:1 disk already
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 06:17 AM
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As much as everyone knocks the SAFC/FMU setup I personally like it a lot. You don't have the surging issues that you do have with the AFC Hack. As long as you set your AFC up properly on a dyno it will run IMO just as good as any hack w/o the daily drivability issues.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:16 AM
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So, you're saying the afc + fmu is more driveable than the afc hack? anyone have opinions on this?
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 11:29 AM
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Your fuel delivery for you car is not something that you want to go the cheap route when it comes to FI. I would suggest a SMC w/ 450cc injectors and some dyno tunning.

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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 05:09 PM
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Your fuel delivery for you car is not something that you want to go the cheap route when it comes to FI. I would suggest a SMC w/ 450cc injectors and some dyno tunning.
isn't this a contradiction? the smc's cheaper than the s-afc. besides, i think the two setups would cost about the same.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 06:05 AM
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Well the AFC has more tuning options then a SMC so thats a plus. The AFC/FMU combo does run very rich untill you dyno it and get the daily driving proporties setup but after that its awesome IMO. The AFC hack I have found is harder to get the partial throttle setup right w.o surging.. This is just what I have found personally - there are a lot of other things I have heard about good and bad for all three setups.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 06:22 AM
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You don't want to go cheap on your fuel setup so go Hondata.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 06:35 AM
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What would you suggest for a new turbo user who is learning about tuning and so forth? Would a hondata/EMS setup be too complicated ot start off with or should the novice (me) start off with a piggy back fuel controller and standard boost contoller?
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 07:03 AM
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do u like the GTECH?
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 09:02 AM
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Hondata is the best way to go but the AFC is a hell of a lot easier route to start with.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 09:34 AM
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So, you're saying the afc + fmu is more driveable than the afc hack? anyone have opinions on this?
3 out of 4 friends that run the hack have their car out of comission due to fuel problems, i say that's a little problem with the hack over the afc/fmu setup.

I like the fmu setup, it's what i run. Vortech 12:1, 255 intank, 440's, missing link, safc. 10psi=326hp and 221ft lbs to the wheels on pump gas. Been driving it for over 7months and 10kmiles and haven't had a problem yet.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 11:57 AM
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So, you're saying the afc + fmu is more driveable than the afc hack? anyone have opinions on this?

3 out of 4 friends that run the hack have their car out of comission due to fuel problems, i say that's a little problem with the hack over the afc/fmu setup.

I like the fmu setup, it's what i run. Vortech 12:1, 255 intank, 440's, missing link, safc. 10psi=326hp and 221ft lbs to the wheels on pump gas. Been driving it for over 7months and 10kmiles and haven't had a problem yet.
don't you run insanely rich on that setup? 12:1 and 440's?
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 12:01 PM
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right now i am but that's due to tunning. That will be worked out shortly.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 02:17 PM
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I went fmu and vafc, it sucked. Now I go HOndata and love it.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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I went fmu and vafc, it sucked. Now I go HOndata and love it.
Why does it suck?

BDTURBO - I like my gtech alot. Havent used it in months tho. I ran it when I went to the track once, it was less than one hundreth of a second off my time slip. It calculates trap speed differently tho.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 05:27 PM
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because it caused my car to buck, and know I run 16psi with full internals.
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Old Feb 27, 2003 | 03:33 PM
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*Apex'i S-AFC, 310cc injectors, Vortec FMU w/ 8:1 disk, inline fuel pump

fuel is dependent on the FMU. not really tunable. What are you going to use the S-AFC for?
why isn't this setup tunable? why can't i use the s-afc to fine tune?
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Old Feb 28, 2003 | 04:45 AM
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i'd like to know the same, considering my car was dyno tuned using a safc. I run a 12:1 fmu, 440's, safc, 255lph intank and missing link. You can tune using the safc on a car running an fmu.
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Old Feb 28, 2003 | 12:52 PM
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