finally people who are running automatic turbo to all of you! I am actually in the middle of building a 92 4door teg rs pr4. The thing I want to know most is what commun EMS you all are using, because apperently hondata doesn't support auto. trans. along with other stand alones, and AEM,motec,ect works but is very expensive. I'm running a 4 injector supplemental systm which is SDS EIC which runs the duty cycle from a seperate map and tach signal that is completly controllable in dash, it's the most effecient for the price. I drillel 4 holes underneith the ITM on a 45degree angle to mount the injectors which is controlled by the sds. I am also running a 6al btm and manual boost controller in dash aswell. another thing I am concerned about is what happens when boost is intruduced to the evap and egr systems. evap I don't really care about but I bould like to run the egr to lower the EGT's so I don't melt pistons and valves> my plan is make 300 hp on 8 to 10 psi of boost @ 10:1 comp ratio. I too will be running 1 cooler in series with the stock one. fuel delevery will be an in tank bosch 80psi pump through 3/8 lines teed to two stock rails with some sort of regulator returning by the old stock pressure line(don't have one yet) so far so good I will deffenitly be updating and following this thred. to the thread starter lets keep this one going!

 

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Gracias ...

 

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Oh wait he'll be 10 cars ahead cuz the EGT's caused by that ultra long 4spd gearing will have caused your ring lands to completely melt and crack, leaving you to contemplate this.

Maybe thats why Tony used a supercharger instead... Less heat, better longevity.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Acutally, if your EGT's causes harm to the engine because of ultra long gears, it means that the car better stay in the garage because it isn't running properly. Auto 4th gear is no different than a 5spd's 5th gear. If your engine cannot do a sustained 5th gear pull, it's going to blow up soon anyway.

I chose a supercharger because I had it cheap and it was a simple install. Supercharger in fact is worse for the engine than a turbo because all Honda JRSC's are not intercooled. Power is what kills the motor, not the type of induction given proper tuning and management. Look at my other car, it is a turbocharged V6 Camry with auto as well with 400WHP/375 lb-ft on pump. I can assure you that if I ever run into another 400WHP 5spd car with close to the same car weight as mine, the 5spd would lose no matter what. If you can put the power to the ground with an automatic with a proper high stall converter, it will always beat a 5spd with the same power to the ground. Some guys would never leave automatics because it has a lot to do with preference; some people out there could make an auto trans take a lot of abuse, but the mainstream for Hondas deal with 5spd. There is absolutely nothing wrong with auto for Hondas, but rather you become the fewer among the crowd and have to deal with issues yourself with limited resources

 

99 honda accord 6 psi. started slipping at 6 psi fixed with a oil cooler in place of the stock tranny cooler.

96 Honda civic d16y8 6psi 168whp on the dyno. no problem now running 9 psi havent been dynoed but running approx 180whp. no problems (yet)

 

tru<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony the Tiger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Acutally, if your EGT's causes harm to the engine because of ultra long gears, it means that the car better stay in the garage because it isn't running properly. Auto 4th gear is no different than a 5spd's 5th gear. If your engine cannot do a sustained 5th gear pull, it's going to blow up soon anyway.

I chose a supercharger because I had it cheap and it was a simple install. Supercharger in fact is worse for the engine than a turbo because all Honda JRSC's are not intercooled. Power is what kills the motor, not the type of induction given proper tuning and management. Look at my other car, it is a turbocharged V6 Camry with auto as well with 400WHP/375 lb-ft on pump. I can assure you that if I ever run into another 400WHP 5spd car with close to the same car weight as mine, the 5spd would lose no matter what. If you can put the power to the ground with an automatic with a proper high stall converter, it will always beat a 5spd with the same power to the ground. Some guys would never leave automatics because it has a lot to do with preference; some people out there could make an auto trans take a lot of abuse, but the mainstream for Hondas deal with 5spd. There is absolutely nothing wrong with auto for Hondas, but rather you become the fewer among the crowd and have to deal with issues yourself with limited resources </TD></TR></TABLE>

true that!
I chose to run an automatic because auto. in therory is much better than 5speed spool time stays higer,you can build full boost at a dead stop,and you don't loose all you boost between shifts=less lag.

noone has yet to give their opinion on what happens when you give boost to the evap and egr these are designed not for boost.

anyone else running supplementary inj.?

 

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is everyone mainly running Amsoil tranny fluid ? ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Im using honda atf

 

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Here's some useful info, upgrade the torque converter, go to level 10's website and check out there program for the TCM so you can actually program the shiftpoints for the gears. Oh and I'm soooo sorry for offending you( ), but the first time you take this car out and lose to somebody with the same blower/turbo setup and a 5spd, you can roll down your window and say "it doesn't matter, mine is an automatic".

Oh wait he'll be 10 cars ahead cuz the EGT's caused by that ultra long 4spd gearing will have caused your ring lands to completely melt and crack, leaving you to contemplate this.

Maybe thats why Tony used a supercharger instead... Less heat, better longevity.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL@ you. I certainly hope you are kidding, otherwise you just COULD possibly be the biggest moron on HT. What you say does not make sense. At all.

And a bump for this thread. Interested in some numbers etc, and just to see how well this stuff gets down the track...

 

H-T.com is a forum for all of us to give opinions and help each other out, and every single thread turns into a compitition of who know's more. can we please stay on topic which was people sharing numbers and experences

 

My 94 civic ex used to be automatic turbo.

I just couldn't take driving a slow car so I figured what the hell make the best of what I had and lets see what happens

Setup consisted of a d16z6 with 140k on the motor and auto tranny, custom turbo setup with pretty much dsm parts. tdo5h-14b @ 8.5-9psi daily, log manifold, dsm bov, dsm smic, 2.25" charge pipes and downpipe, 60mm Apexi RS catback, and a vafc & dsm 450's street tuned on a wideband as far as fuel management. No tranny cooler, although I highly suggest running one since heat is the #1 Enemy to the automatic tranny..and they are cheap.

The car was fun as hell to drive around town, totally different animal compared to before. VERY smooth powerband, wheels would start breaking loose into boost, and the slushbox would slightly bark 2nd gear. Launching was fun too as you can build a little bit of bost off the line

Stoplight kills if you are into that kind of thing consisted of an rsx-s with intake and kpro, 170whp b16a powered EM1, b16a swapped crx, plenty of 5.0 Mustangs and a 99 GT, few turbo 2g dsms, and I even started to creep a bit on a big block powered 55 Chevy.

Otherwise as far as daily driving I drove it like a grandma, letting off the gas right before the tranny would shift. It was quite reliable, other then a leaky headgasket initially.

Ran it at the dragstrip once and the best I could muster was a 15.4. It was my first time on a drag strip and I just had a tough time getting the car to hook as I was on 40 series Falkien Zeix 512's on 16" wheels. I couldnt break a 2.4 60'. Got about 14 runs in that day and besides about 2 runs every run was about within 2/10's of my best....it was super consistent, car would have been a great to bracket race with. I was trapping at 93mph, mid- high 14's were definitley possible in that car if I got that 60' down.

I only ran the setup for about 8,000 miles as the timing belt jumped on me & pretty much needed to rebuild the head, so I decided to part everything out and go a different route with the car. I was confident that I would get at least another year or so out of the tranny if it still ran, but at the time I had a 5 speed y8 tranny laying around which I planned on swapping in when the time came.

My advice, def run a tranny cooler, take it easy driving around town, and while the setup is running either a) get yourself a spare auto tranny before the current one breaks because it WON'T last forever or b) start gathering parts for a tranny swap

....Also, don't waste your money on those tranny upgrades such as what companies like level10 offer. Unless anything has changed in the past 2 years, no one upgrades the valvebodies in the honda automatic transmission, and that is one of its weakest links.

 

A friend of mine almost has all the parts he needs to boost his auto 97 ex so we will see how she holds up

 

Wife's '00 Integra LS auto is boosted. 5 psi on a T3, 185whp, 142tq on a dynojet. Car has 50K on it, with maybe 15K on the turbo setup. Tranny isn't slipping at all, sometimes if I'm boosting at part throttle and it shifts, it flares a little, but not undre full throttle. She just wanted a little more passing power, so it's a pretty mild turbo setup. Full boost at just under 3K, and decent torque so it drives well.

I only ran it at the track one day and only 2 passes. Best it did was 15.7@96mph. The car is heavy, mostly because it has a ton of audio equipment (entire hatch is taken up by the fiberglass enclosure, and everything weighed in at ~150lbs). The car ran on 18"s, the 60 ft. was pretty bad, 2.4 sec. I'm just happy it ran 15's as it is.

 

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is everyone mainly running Amsoil tranny fluid ? ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am using AW32 Hydraulic oil For tranny fluid.

 

I have a 95 accord lx auto, its been boosted for about 2 yrs, no problem with the transmission. I made 181 whp and 187 lb-ft of torque at 6 psi. The biggest problem with boosting an auto is finding a good form of engine management since hondata, neptune, etc... doesn,t work on an auto. I think I'm going to try the emanage ultimate in the near future, according to greddy it will work on an auto.

 

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I am using AW32 Hydraulic oil For tranny fluid.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is this for a honda? and can you run this ATF on a stock tranny that has not been modified , Because I know that you have modded your trans.

could you do a write up on what exactly you did to your trans or is there a link that could give me more info?

 

How hard is it to tune an auto anyways?? Much difference from a manual??

 

I didnt have any trouble street tuning with a wideband on emanage. It was pretty much the same as my 5spd.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by p0gi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didnt have any trouble street tuning with a wideband on emanage. It was pretty much the same as my 5spd. </TD></TR></TABLE> Which emanage did you use the blue or the ultimate?

 

blue on both, ultimate wasnt out when i got them

 

thanks, I think i'm going to try the ultimate because you alter shift points. Does the blue affect timing when you adjust the fuel tables?

 

Yes when you use the airflow adjustment map. It changes the voltage sent from the map sensor

 

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Wow, I can't believe there's a sustained boosted auto thread. Awesome.

We picked up a auto 99 Civic LX sedan this summer as a winter beater / daily driver and even though I prefer manuals, this was too cheap to pass up.

Now that I've been driving it this winter and the Si is in storage, I can't stand how gutless it is. I've been pondering peiceing together a junkyard setup just to liven it up some, but everytime I've searched for turbo autos it's nothing but "waste of time blah blah blah"

I have no plans on racing the car, or having 400hp. I was thinking about a straight T3 with a small AR on the turbine and a sidemount running 5-7 pounds. Nothing major. With that low of boost, I'd either just run an FMU or AFC.

I'd like to here some more setups.

 

you guys are making me want to buy a welder and slap this td05h-18g turbo on my tired old D15 auto and have it go out in a blaze of glory.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by falcongsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you guys are making me want to buy a welder and slap this td05h-18g turbo on my tired old D15 auto and have it go out in a blaze of glory.
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Do it and video tape it ! ...

as for my turbo plans so far i think i may just run a cheap home made setup t25 preferably, only 5-6 psi ... just to have some fun with my daily driving. Although I know the hatred towards autos as of right now i'm happy driving an auto rather than go through the trouble of doing the 5 speed conversion, atleast for now

 

anyone with other experiences!

I just finished designing and fabbing my intake to support the supplemental EMS and also recieved my SDS EIC-4 next is to begin designing the turbo set up.

Bump BTW