blackpearlcivic

Hello people i need some advice for what i wanna do.I wanna make a 450whp with a B16 but wich GT turbo is the best for my setup with minimal lag.And is it better to use a blockgaurd?

-B16 stock sleeves
-Forged Pistons 81.50
-Forged Rods

I hope you guys can help me out and what could i hit with this kind of setup?

JDM_EH2

No blockguard. If you're set on a GT and have the funds then look into the GT30R

BTW: 450whp and minimal lag is not a good combination Traction = NONE

Importordomestic

your engine will not last long with stock sleves..... i know there has been higher hp numbers out there. but if you dont have your car tuned by the tuner god, its only going to last a few runs at that power especially wit stock sleves and no block guard.

jure

I'm looking for the same whp goal in the same setup that you have.only one thing is different, i've got stock bore 81mm, 8.8 cr pistons and forged rods..

Most of the guys recommend me T3/TO4E 57mm trim, but i don't know if this turbo is really best for my setup..I'm looking for turbo which is cheap and have fast spool, like 4k rpm (full boost) but i need more advices...I can get this turbo with all taxes and shipping for 800$ (shipping to europe is damn expensive)

blackpearlcivic

I use cromepro for the setting and thats works realt fine but how much hp is the max on stock sleeves with 81.50?

Maveric

if you have the money to drop on a GT series then DO IT!!

If not i would look into picking up a used 57trim...for cheap and buying a ball bearing upgrade!!

Check out http://www.phoenixturbo.com

blackpearlcivic

I have the money for a gt so thats not the problem but how much hp is safely with a good tune??

YashiMotors

I had a b16 81.5mm CP Pistons, Eagle rods pro tuned. Run 20Psi with T04E 57trim and tha car run nice but since I drive very hard and race alot the sleevs cracked.
Check it out....

beaver

I would just put a GT35R on it and call it a day. You will have enough turbo if you ever decide to sleeve a motor and make more power on less psi with it than the GT30. Pretty much everyone running 400whp on b16 have either a gt35r or sc61, you just cant go with with either one of those turbos.

G"UNIT

I made 330whp on BONE stock b16... get a good tune on it and take care of it..

m R g S r

I have the solution....may be the same price as doing your own build without sleeves, but my block is already sleeved and complete!!!!!!!!


http://hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=1384683


take a look

blackpearlcivic

And when i use a gt35r on my setup wich trim and ar do i need??

chrisgottigsr

gets some golden eagle hd sleeves. unless you buy mr gsr's block


Modified by chrisgottigsr at 2:58 PM 10/6/2005

Maveric

Just go with a 30R
35R is better if you plan on building your motor
30r is far more streetable

B18Sleeper

i'm going with the GT35R on my B18c1 build. I am shooting for at least 450whp the more the better though.

are you lookin for 450whp on pump gas or race gas?

turboEGhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YashiMotors &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had a b16 81.5mm CP Pistons, Eagle rods pro tuned. Run 20Psi with T04E 57trim and tha car run nice but since I drive very hard and race alot the sleevs cracked.
Check it out.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

You detonated and/or it was tuned properly, period.

I've been running around for a week on 33 psi on an SC61 and I normally daily drive it at 17 psi on pump gas. No cracked sleeves, and contrary to what Importordomestic, and his wealth of first hand knowledge, belives your motor will last a long time at 450 WHP on stock sleeves.

22psicrx

I have a 60-1 t3 b16a built, stock bore with a darton sleeve kit. The 60-1 sucks compared to my 18g. The 18g made 356whp at 5500rpm, 60-1 was never dynoed but hondalooder says full boost of 18-19 psi at 7000rpm. Pull hard up top but you have to beat on the motor. Plus, no boost in 5th at 60 mph on the highway, give it gas a wait a long time to boost. Its a 60-1 t3 .70-.63ar. 18g spools 18 psi quick. Hope this helps.

Turbo-charged

i couldnt get my 35r to make less than 550 haha

Phil Koury

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HA! That sucks almost as bad as stock sleeves apparently suck.

blackpearlcivic

Maybe i am gonna sleeve my B16 with darton sleeves with 84.00 bore crower rods en cp pistons.

tuoniz

I personally dont use my build civic for daily driving so I don't really worry about breaking sleeves. I myself had your same goals and had mine pro tuned. 1 week later boom sleeves gone. So just take that how you want it. You could get lucky but why rely. Build now save later.

BlueShadow

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackpearlcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And when i use a gt35r on my setup wich trim and ar do i need??</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see a lot of people running their GT30R and GT35R with 0.82 ar turbines, but this is on B18C's. I haven't seen a lot of B16 dynos with 0.82 ar turbines.

m R g S r

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tuoniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I personally dont use my build civic for daily driving so I don't really worry about breaking sleeves. I myself had your same goals and had mine pro tuned. 1 week later boom sleeves gone. So just take that how you want it. You could get lucky but why rely. Build now save later.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no, i dont think you understand...something was wrong with your motor/tune/setup.

blackpearlcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueShadow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I see a lot of people running their GT30R and GT35R with 0.82 ar turbines, but this is on B18C's. I haven't seen a lot of B16 dynos with 0.82 ar turbines.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is what i also where thinking whil it spool up on a b16 and this only for drag not for daily drive.

silverintegra83

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Importordomestic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your engine will not last long with stock sleves..... i know there has been higher hp numbers out there. but if you dont have your car tuned by the tuner god, its only going to last a few runs at that power especially wit stock sleves and no block guard.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is untrue. with forged pistons, new rods, and new cams a stock b16 block and can hold up to 500whp DD with np. BUT you have to and i cant stress this enough need to have a tuner GOD tune the car just right.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, i dont think you understand...something was wrong with your motor/tune/setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

TRUE. sleeves, blockguard etc... dont mean jack if ur tuning isnt right.