Whats up guys. I just want to thank everyone who has helped me over the last couple years. I assembled my block today so I figured I could start a build thread.

I am shooting for as much power as possible while being conservative on pump gas (92). I will be spraying 50/50 water meth. I have considered e85 (1 hour away) and buy 55 gallon drums.. but I don't know how much power is possible with this fuel. After doing as much googling as possible, I have concluded that a large turbo can put down good numbers on pump gas.

My setup. short n sweet...

81mm (10:3:1)
ls crank
s363 or s366
topmount
38mm wastegate (will buy a larger one if needed)
type r cams
aebs IM
3" downpipe
2.5" ic pipe
1000cc
walbro 255
water methanol 50 50

Today I assembled my block. It consists of:

Benson Sleeved Block
81mm wiseco pistons
Eagle rods
Ls crank
ACL race bearings
GSR oil pump
GSR water pump


All mains bearings ranged from .0018-.002"
Rod bearings were inbetween .0017-.0018"
PTW clearance was .0042 on all cylinders
Piston rings - 1st - .0020 2nd - .0024 on all cylinders

arp rod bolts 3/8" 28ft lbs
mains 56ftlbs
arp head bolts tomorrow 75lbs

Tomorrow I will be installing the splash guard, oil pick up, oil pan, head, cams, timing belt, crank pulley, intake manifold. Will update then.

 

Sweet build, bro

Aww man this thing looks so sick. Im loving the colors!!

 

People like you should be banned, just saying.

 

its an animated gif, with no words. thanks for spamming my fresh post.

 

Yea that's his way of saying good job.

I'd only be worried if he posted an Anna Kendrick gif lol

if anyone is up for ban roulette it's rev speed. I've gotten a few pms and other messages about him lol.

 

I have a couple options with tuning. Have a local tuner dyno tune it for $350, or spend $450 on neptune, boost by gear solenoid, and have a buddy of mine tune it. He tuned his own b16 on 10 psi, but he has no experience with water methanol, Im not too sure if he is even ready for my kind of build? (no disrespect here, but I am clueless) Id really like to learn to tune myself instead of shelling out $350 everytime.. Which Ive done 3 times already.

 

There are a lot of good tuners in your area... PSI PROformance or whatever it's called is good. two of my friends had their drift cars tuned there, Joe Ayala and Justin Shreeve, one's. a1jz the other is an sr I think. they did a great job.

I think there are more but that's the most prominent one I can recall.

what ever happened with the Holset? if you need help sourcing a new wheel I can point you in the right direction. I also know of a few shops on the west coast that will balance it.

Pure Turbo has a VSR balancer and they are in California, one of the few shops in the US that I know of that has their own in house. They quoted me 80 to VSR a ball bearing CHRA, I think they'll do a journal bearing CHRA for 50ish. I don't think there's a balancing place in Washington unless you know of a turbo diesel shop somewhere.

since the turbo is apart you may want to look into something like a billet compressor wheel. around 190 gets you a forged billet wheel, 7+7 blade config or a 6+6 (a 10-0 or 11-0 GTX style wheel wouldn't do well with the pressure ratios Holsets like also normally the lower the blade count the more effective the wheel is at high pressures... ie 20+ psi) extended tip, thinner hub diameter/profile, thinner superback contour, and blades (more blade area) as well as 5mm taller inducer blade height (again more blade area) which also helps with higher airflow and more efficient compression. fits a stock housing with no modifications.

their testing indicates about a 15% average minimum improvement in wheel performance, mostly due to reduced mass, a stronger wheel, and the extended tips. the wheels are tested at stupid high pressure ratios and shaft speeds. they certify the wheels to 70psi for constant long term operation but no one would ever spin a Holset that fast lol.


I know the company that machines these wheels and sells them wholesale, super nice pieces.. that's whos wheels a few companies re-label. talked to the guy from the company a lot at PRI. I'm working on becoming a dealer for Holset, Garrett, Borg Warner and KKK turbo compressor wheels.
I'm waiting on one of their wheels for my friends 5.9 Cummins and I'll be running one of their billet wheels on my Holset HE351VE
just something

 

The holset is still sitting right here. paypal takes forever to resolve claims...

I have a feeling I will have to send the turbo back.. and if they do I'm going to tell them I'm not paying to ship it back. so I'm just planning to get my $350 back and buy a s363 or s366. If I get the refund and get to keep the turbo, I will get a billet wheel perhaps. My main priority is to replace the turbine of course. I looked at this one, what do you think? It says its plug and play. How does this compare to what you're talking about? How much would it set me back for a billet wheel and turbine?

http://baeturbosystems.com/compresso...3-1-2-4-1.aspx

 

If you call PayPal every day they hurry up... especially if the seller starts calling you names and **** in messages, PayPal hates that and they pretty much automatically side with the buyer and say screw the seller keep the ****.

like just last week we ordered "new in sealed box" printer cartridges for our big printer. they show up in a torn box and the expiration date was 5 years ago.

we message the seller and he starts calling me a moron, a thief and a liar. then he says we never did business with him... yet we have a package with his name on it, an eBay transaction between us and a record of payment over PayPal. then he says we aren't getting our money back and there's no way those are the cartridges that his "company" packed and that he watches every box be packaged. he said oh I have.a huge business...

well we mapped the address on the package and he lives in an apartment, not a business lol.

PayPal has already said they are siding with us and we get a refund and keep the cartridges. have some faith lol.

as far as the turbine wheel, that's a good price. they are normally 135-175ish. what confuses me is they say performance wheel and oe wheel at the same time. also there's no indication of what material the wheel is made out of... I think it would be fine though.

Holset did use a few different turbine wheel sizes on the Hx35 so measure your wheel to be sure.

the billet wheel for the hx35 is around 190, I've seen some people trying to sell them for over 300 for the same wheel. I have the wholesale pricing list so I can tell you 300 is a rip, 190 is fair.

either way you can't go wrong. the BorgWarner turbo is tried and true, as are the Holset turbos. at least with BorgWarner you get a new turbo with housings that you know is properly packed and it has a warranty so no bullshit dealing with ******** on eBay and having to deal with PayPal.

the 363 or 366 should have response characteristics similar to the Holset. I can tell you that the Holset units have one hell of a beefy bearing system, especially the thrust bearing and thrust collar. I've seen people accidentally starve a Holset of oil and they never flinch or fail. even when one guy that had an oil feed fail when he disassembled the CHRA there weren't any signs of heat checking. After all the Holset turbos were designed to 500,000 miles of constant use at high pressures on long haul diesel engines.

the main problem is that given the Holsets CHRA design you don't get any signs that the turbo is failing until after it fails but if the turbo is properly lubricated and is in good condition used or new failures are fairly rare.

even if one does fail replacement parts are cheap. if you keep the Holset you might have a little trouble finding a good condition compressor cover but I'll keep my eyes out for one just incase you need one after all.

 

>implying I support off topic spam, hmm okay.
>implying I got under your skin enough to make you post about me in another thread.

Mission complete. Stop being a douche.

 

thanks for the info. I already have a compressor housing for my turbo, and a tims turbo .63 ar turbine.

I really hope I get to keep the turbo..

 

Sleeves look beefy!

my personal opinion I would get a professional tune, 10psi vs 25psi is a teddy bear vs godzilla

 

I hear ya.

Anyone know what size nozzle I should run for my water meth kit? I believe I got two with my AEM kit.

 

Looks good so far man. I'm getting ready to assemble my short block too. Did you use the acl race bearings with .001 extra clearance to get those clearances?

 

Injection rate is 1cc-2cc per minute per horsepower.

 

I ordered standard bearings, I didn't order oversize.

@ wantboost, thanks. Guess what, paypal sided with me but told me I have to ship it back and pay for the shipping.............

 

weird.

ship that **** back parcel post. cheap and slow

**** that douche lol

 

**** that, ship him back a box of rocks with the same rough weight. Let's see him prove it.

 

Im tempted to ask a shop to balance it to see if its still good, but I dunno.. the turbine wheel fits perfectly in the housing and rotates without touching.

 

Snap a couple fins before sending it back to him, so he doesn't try to **** over a customer more ignorant than yourself by just reselling it?

...I'm sorry, am I being a spiteful bastard right now?

 

My friend who sells high end headers for Hondas had that happen.

guy said the header didn't fit. friend issued a refund, box shows up full of bricks.

PayPal didn't do **** because all they care about is that a return tracking number and shipping receipt was provided to PayPal.

 

got my beautiful s363 in the mail yesterday. Got a question.

this son of a bitch is heavy. it weighs 25lbs. my top mount manifold weighs 17. I am worried about the weight of the turbo destroying my manifold (cracking it overtime) I want to fab up a bracket(s) to support some of the weight of the turbo. I did some googling and didn't find much.

 

I could have gotten you a new genuine Holset hx35 or hx40 CHRA for like 180 bucks... forgot to mention that lol.

 

As far as a support bracket, it needs to be triangulated with 3 mounting points on the motor and use two spherical joints (heim joints) with a threaded rod in between them. one mounts to the brace, the other to the turbo on the turbine side of the CHRA since that's where the majority of the weight is.

I'll dig up some photos of what I'm talking about you can better visualize it.

 

Could you get borg warner CHRA's incase I need one in the future?

I saw this yesterday and sounds just like you described.

http://www.bufkinengineering.com/turbo_bracket.htm

Someone mentioned that the heat will transfer to the support bracket, and said it could be more negative than good, causing the turbine to crack?