So Im selling my ek to buy a del sol for the summer. I have a GSR in my garage and was thinking about putting it into the sol. But then I was thinking and I was vergingin into the idea of doing something I havent done before... building a single turbo.

Do you think it would be worth it for me to sell the gsr and spend all the money I get from it on a single turbo build? or should I just do what I usually do and put the gsr in it?

 

Im currently running a boosted single Slam tuned on crome at 10psi and i love it. Its just mildly built but if i had the funds from selling a gsr to fund a turbo project im sure id be getting much more power If i had a gsr i would probably just put it in the sol. Boosted d's are very fun and with a good tune there just as reliable as any other engine but the powerband and potential of a gsr is much greater. I think its really just up to what you wanna do. Boostin your d would be a fun new project and youd be able to learn the in and outs of what turboing is all about. Good luck man have fun. If you do boost the d i have a 38mm turbonetics evolution wastegate partnered with a drag manifold for the d series that i'd let go for cheap as well as air/fuel and oil temp gauges

 

Im just getting tired of the B series thing. ive owned like 3 gsr set ups this year. Ive always wanted something boosted. My friend just got an lsvtec turbo set up and im super jealous right now. If just putting the gsr in it would be cheaper for the ammount of power I would get than ill just do that. But I was thinking that with the del sol si, and the money ill get from the gsr, I could have a pretty bad *** turbo'd single. Im hoping for around 300hp. Does that seem about right? for around $2500, $3000 in upgrades? some of which Ill get for cheap from friends mind you.

 

imo it never hurts to see a single cam putting down good numbers

 

Why not drop the GSR engine in the sol and turbo it then?

 

Cause im not made of money. lol I cant afford to put the gsr in it and than turbo it. Its either GSR with a few bolt ons, or built minime turbo

 

the weakest part of a D are the rods, but they will hold up fine for 250whp. Also a lack of ability to circulate oil, which can be troublesome at high rpms and high boost. But in comparison to other engines and there problems it's a pretty solid engine.

 

Well I would get the motor fully built before I turbod it, rods, valves, springs, bearings, cams, gaskets, sleved block, ect. If im gonna boost ima make sure its not gona blow a month later. Im aiming for over 300hp and probably around 160 tq

 

If you make 300 with a SOHC you'll be throwing down over 200 TQ, probably over 250. They are torque monsters. I would go with the D-block man. They are so easy to boost compared to the B-series. You can throw some LS rods in there with Vitara pistons and some ARP's and a Cometic HG and make like 250 reliably. I regret my turbo GSR hatch every time something breaks on it (Every time it dyno's or goes out of my yard)

 

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But with the money that you get from selling the GSR, you wouldn't have enough money to build the bottom end and still get a quality turbo setup and tune. It would take more money that what you would get for the GSR and then you still have a stock head that limits you to right around 7k RPM. Don't get me wrong, I have had a boosted D16 and it was a blast, but if your only looking to make 300WHP, you could do that with the GSR you have in your garage and you would have a much broader powerband. Like I said, the D was fun but if I had a GSR sitting in my garage I would boost that instead. Thats just my opinion but people like to be different also and a lot of people have B series swaps around here and fewer boosted D's that make good power where I'm from so it still would be cool to make a high HP D-series.

 

how much do you think it will cost to have a really good single turbo set up? supposing I have the motor and bolt ons already.

 

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Really, a turbo setup for a D or a B is not going to be much of a difference. For a quality setup look to spend 2K-3K ( at least)

 

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Really, a turbo setup for a D or a B is not going to be much of a difference. For a quality setup look to spend 2K-3K ( at least)</TD></TR></TABLE>

more like 1K-1.5K if you take your time shopping around.

 

go on turbod16.com and u will find allllllllllll the info u will EVER need on a D16.

 

I was in the same position as you not too long ago. I had a GSR swap in my garage, minus a tranny.

I sold the GSR engine and I ended up building a d16 from the ground up. I was able to put together a forged bottom end and a refreshed head and block for about what I sold my stock GSR long block for. And this was with Wiseco pistons, there are much cheaper options then what I went with, but I got impatient :/

I had also done a turbo GSR in the past too at low boost on a stock block. I wanted to do something different as well, have a built motor, and run big boost :D

Justin

 

So what is the verdict here... I'm interested in the following options, 2 of which are a built D or GSR but top of the list is a RSX typeS K20 with boltons and a little spray (75shot) or boosting a Dseries and building it, or boosting a GSR and building it. The motor would go into a EG hatch. I'm deployed in Afghanistan and when I get back I'm budgeting for around 10k, plus selling my 02 Mazda Protege for about 5k so more or less around 15k is what I'll have to work with. What does everyone in here suggest?

 

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more like 1K-1.5K if you take your time shopping around.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, you could shop around but I was talking about quality new parts and just with a new turbo to support your built bottom end would be <U>at least</U> $600

 

oh man. if I had 15 grand to spend on a honda I would get an ek9 imported. lol

but seriously, 15 grand id go with a b20 vtec boosted. but if your new to the honda game, you might want to shoot for something easier that requires less matinance than having to turbo something. 15 grand you could have a super clean full ITR eg. and when I say super clean I mean 5 lug, fresh paint, fresh b18c, mugen suspension.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxaldinger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh man. if I had 15 grand to spend on a honda I would get an ek9 imported. lol

but seriously, 15 grand id go with a b20 vtec boosted. but if your new to the honda game, you might want to shoot for something easier that requires less matinance than having to turbo something. 15 grand you could have a super clean full ITR eg. and when I say super clean I mean 5 lug, fresh paint, fresh b18c, mugen suspension. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok realistically, what are your goals? You say you want a 300whp DD?

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Bolt-ons can be thrown out if you are going for a turbo setup.

 

lol yeah thats true, like I said I dont have 15 grand, I have like 3, MAYBE 4. and I allready stated my goals. I just dont know if it would be more sensible to stick with my gsr if im not gonna get more horsepower out of it than a boosted d. and no, it wont be my daily driver but close to it. Ill whip my rolla around when its wet out

 

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personally, If I had one already, I would stick to the gsr

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxaldinger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol yeah thats true, like I said I dont have 15 grand, I have like 3, MAYBE 4. and I allready stated my goals. I just dont know if it would be more sensible to stick with my gsr if im not gonna get more horsepower out of it than a boosted d. and no, it wont be my daily driver but close to it. Ill whip my rolla around when its wet out </TD></TR></TABLE>

You will definitely get more power out of a turbo D than you will from your GSR, considering you left the GSR stock.

If you have 3-4 grand, you can definitely get a nice reliable setup...you wouldnt be able to build the motor much w/ that kind of budget. You may be able to get some pistons/rods, and the rest will be put towards your turbo setup...that is also considering you buy all new parts (not junkyard HMT setups). As long as you take care of those "sticks" in your block and upgrade those cast pistons for forged, you should reach 300whp no problem

 

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Yeah, you could shop around but I was talking about quality new parts and just with a new turbo to support your built bottom end would be <U>at least</U> $600 </TD></TR></TABLE>

my bad, i thought we were just talking about building together a kit, not an entire motor

 

im getting ready to build a turbo d...cause b series seems to be a common trend...and for some reason im not big on doing what everyone else is doing. it might cost the same as swapping in a b...but they are a lot of fun. so do what you want...dont listen to anybody else...ask opinions...but dont do it just cause its what everyone else is doing it. its your car...make it yours. good luck man.

 

This is the cost of a built-bottom D16 (excluding what a GSR needs too; all welding by me):

$350 - D16 'swap'
$20 - Manifold (OEM mani to my own topmount adapter)
$50 - Pipes/couplers (2.25" *real* silicone & alum. steel bends)
$30 - 3" DP, stock 1.875" cat/exhaust
$75 - fmic (actually got it free)
$100 - rebuilt volvo T3
$70 - ssauto WG
$250 - eagle rods
$450 - wiseco pistons
$250 - OEM seals/gaskets/pump & bearings
$150 - machining/balancing
$100 - Greddy BOV used
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under $2k ($3k will be 400whp capible)


Around here a low-milage GSR swap is worth over $2k, and you may pay $500 more if you can't weld, or get a 'baller' manifold. So let say $2.5k with boltons, the GSR will make about 160whp. My D16 with 8:1 CR at just 6psi made 160whp/140wtq even. In fact a B20Z with a BRAND-NEW itr head, no cat, and i/h/e made 162whp right after I dyno'd. He was a bit bummed...

My T3 turbo will do 225whp w/o a problem, and I have a mint-condition S-trim from my EF that will do 300whp (had full boost at 4k with that one). The GSR might make more JDM fanboys wet (girls around here know jack-****), but in the car the boosted SOHC will feel better.

My point is for under $3k, a boosted SOHC can rule w/o much of a problem, and be far more reliable than a boosted B with OEM cast pistons & rods. I'd love to sleeve a B18, build a vtec head, and make lots of power (so does everyone) - but its a daily driver, and I want to buy a house soon. If you look at the classifieds, there are MANY guys that spend &gt;$10k, only to have to sell it for half that because they want a house, new car, or just want to 'get out of the Honda scene'.


For a quick fix, use the GSR. You'll be fast, or at least like others were in 2000. The boosted SOHC will take a bit more time/patience, but for a street car, its worth it.